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Old 01-09-2003, 07:33 PM   #31
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The demise of the Peace Garden project at your school is very sad. A lack of compassion indeed.

I agree that states are in dire trouble - but there has been a decrease in expected tax revenues due to the Stock Market bust. It's not all caused by overspending & not spending responsibly. September 11th must have impact in our state's current financial situation. While I agree that all overspending and not spending responsibly must stop - cutting taxes isn't the answer to me. If taxes are cut - will there be a sum left to help Africa? What about Americans that need assistance? What happens to the people kicked off of Medicaid since there is no more $. Even if we cut taxes, it doesn't mean that the money left will be spent wisely. I don't think taxes should be raised, but I also don't see how there can be a tax cut when everything else we do goes up.

It appears that the goal would be to make the plight of Africa very newsworthy. Perhaps our letters should start to go to news people along with the government?

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I think the distinction Bono is trying to make about Africa, is that it is am emergency with 6500 dying daily and another 9500 being infected. They need help now, not in a few years.
yes thats exactly what needs to be heard but not everyone is listening to that.


and with what Bostonanne said about when she talks to pple about in Africa, I get the same exact thing happening to me too.
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I agree that states are in dire trouble - but there has been a decrease in expected tax revenues due to the Stock Market bust. It's not all caused by overspending & not spending responsibly. September 11th must have impact in our state's current financial situation. While I agree that all overspending and not spending responsibly must stop - cutting taxes isn't the answer to me. If taxes are cut - will there be a sum left to help Africa? What about Americans that need assistance? What happens to the people kicked off of Medicaid since there is no more $. Even if we cut taxes, it doesn't mean that the money left will be spent wisely. I don't think taxes should be raised, but I also don't see how there can be a tax cut when everything else we do goes up.

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I agree the stock market has to have something to do with it as well. I am not necessarily for a tax cut, but I am not for more taxes. There is too much waste. I am also watching our class sizes grow and grow and services being cut and cut in school. I think NB hit it best.......as long as politicians are more worried about getting re-elected we will not see money spent wisely.

As to the media......RATINGS RATINGS RATINGS

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I agree the stock market has to have something to do with it as well. I am not necessarily for a tax cut, but I am not for more taxes. There is too much waste. I am also watching our class sizes grow and grow and services being cut and cut in school. I think NB hit it best.......as long as politicians are more worried about getting re-elected we will not see money spent wisely.

As to the media......RATINGS RATINGS RATINGS

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I didn't realize that we are on the same page with the tax cut issue. I agree not to increase taxes, but to use the money received currently more wisely.

I have an idea - how about a SURVIVOR show set in an African village? The new Survivor cast can walk miles each day for clean water and try to find the money to start an infrastructure when you owe tons of money to rich countries that has been paid off over and over in interest fees.
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I didn't realize that we are on the same page with the tax cut issue. I agree not to increase taxes, but to use the money received currently more wisely.

I am a McCain Republican

I like your idea for the TV Show. They make it too easy on the survivors!!!!!!

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What can be done to combat "compassion fatigue"? As America is in such an unsecure place - I feel that combating "compassion fatigue" is going to get harder and harder. People need to grasp their minds around the whole situation now - before our economy worsens and before we end up going to war. As you can tell, I am not feeling very confident in America right now.
I think one tact might be to point out that this issue is not about charity; it's about justice. We're not handing out money to the poor with debt relief. We're getting out of their way so they can become independant.

Dreadsox, I've enjoyed your posts on this thread. I hope you've let your leaders know how you feel by writing or calling! You too, Adamswildhoney!

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found this on a GOP news site:


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Fired Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill is getting on with life. Associates say he has big plans that could include a healthcare center in Pittsburgh and helping poor African nations like the few he visited with U2 singer Bono last year. Those memories have been captured in a video titled The Odd Couple Tour of Africa, a fast hit inside the administration. Taken by deputy Treasury spokesman Rob Nichols, the 51-minute video includes funny outtakes, like when O'Neill trades his bifocals with Bono's trademark wraparounds. "I'm Bono," O'Neill chirps. And then, grabbing his glasses back: "I need something I can see with."
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I have an idea - how about a SURVIVOR show set in an African village? The new Survivor cast can walk miles each day for clean water and try to find the money to start an infrastructure when you owe tons of money to rich countries that has been paid off over and over in interest fees.
this is not such a bad idea, speaking of media attention. lots of other intriguing scenarios: we could all watch contestants avoid malaria-causing mosquitos, running water that causes blindness, guerilla rebels, and eating left over genetically altered corn.

dunno, would that prompt us to do something about those trains?

like scarletwine, said, it's an urgent matter, and time is not on our side. what can overcome compassion fatigue? some interventions that actually see results, like some type of Marshall Plan for AIDS relief...another thread, the one on Clinton's AID article, I think, has a mention from sharky of an article about the efforts of the man who got the Green Revolution in India going trying to do the same in Africa, check that out! the only other alternative is to repeat history and rig some kind of Pearl Harbor to spur us to action, before the vast majority of the world living on less than a dollar a day gets fed up with our displays of wealth.

and hey, I forgot to mention, Diamond, that was a nice post, very true!

we need to put our hearts into it, and then somehow the money will be there.
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Fired Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill is getting on with life. Associates say he has big plans that could include a healthcare center in Pittsburgh and helping poor African nations like the few he visited with U2 singer Bono last year. Those memories have been captured in a video titled The Odd Couple Tour of Africa, a fast hit inside the administration. Taken by deputy Treasury spokesman Rob Nichols, the 51-minute video includes funny outtakes, like when O'Neill trades his bifocals with Bono's trademark wraparounds. "I'm Bono," O'Neill chirps. And then, grabbing his glasses back: "I need something I can see with."
lol, any bootlegs? and is the Administration taking to this for a reason other than admiration of the trip?

way to go, O'Neill, and Bono!
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Dreadsox, I've enjoyed your posts on this thread. I hope you've let your leaders know how you feel by writing or calling!

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Just this thread

I have let them know that we need to be there helping because in my heart I believe that this is the best way to prevent another 9/11 long term down the road.

Unfortunately, there seems to be many things that our country does not feel affects us. With economic times worsening it is going to be harder to convince many that this issue is a pressing one.

Again, I wonder where our churches are on this issue. That is where I think the case needs to be made. That is where this administration believes charity should come from. You may find Republican Representatives leaning more in that direction.

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Fired Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill is getting on with life. Associates say he has big plans that could include a healthcare center in Pittsburgh and helping poor African nations like the few he visited with U2 singer Bono last year. Those memories have been captured in a video titled The Odd Couple Tour of Africa, a fast hit inside the administration. Taken by deputy Treasury spokesman Rob Nichols, the 51-minute video includes funny outtakes, like when O'Neill trades his bifocals with Bono's trademark wraparounds. "I'm Bono," O'Neill chirps. And then, grabbing his glasses back: "I need something I can see with."
Wow. That's almost even...endearing. Who knew? God bless the man if he's gonna keep fighting the fight. Maybe he'll find it easier out of office.

Dreadsox -- I'll add you right away! Anyone else who has written, LET ME KNOW! I'll add you and you can get the credit you deserve! That's hardly the point, but I like to give it anyway!

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BTW, all new Angels are now added and the new forum is up and working! Come on over and say hi and see your name in lights! Link's in my sig!

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By Caroline Hooper-Box

The United Nations special envoy for HIV/Aids in southern Africa has warned of "a crescendo of rage and desperation which governments will ignore at their peril" in a hard-hitting new report on the spread of the pandemic on the continent.

Stephen Lewis, who is UN secretary-general Kofi Annan's special envoy, has accused world governments of "mass murder by complacency" for neglecting the food and Aids crisis in southern Africa, and has warned of the "failure" of southern African states "10 or 15 years down the road".

Among the recommendations that Lewis made regarding the HIV/Aids pandemic and the hunger that is stalking Africa are that anti-retroviral programmes be supported by governments, that southern African governments do all they can to get food to their people, that the international community finds the political will and money to deal with the pandemic and the food shortages, and that the vulnerability of women and children in the region become a priority.

'Hunger and Aids have come together in a Hecate's brew of horror'
Lewis, a former Canadian ambassador to the UN, this week delivered a hard-hitting mission report in New York after a tour of Lesotho, Zimbabwe, Malawi and Zambia in December.

He is to begin a follow-up tour starting in the "absolutely impoverished" Lesotho on January 22, along with James Morris, the World Food Programme head, to examine the link between hunger and Aids in the region.

The UN tour takes place in the same week that the health forum of the Southern African Development Community (SADC) meets in Pretoria. The meeting has already run into controversy.

Aids activists and scientists reacted with horror this week at the news that Dr Roberto Giraldo, a well-known Aids dissident, who denies a link between HIV and Aids, has been invited by the SADC health sector to speak on Aids therapy and treatment at the forum. Manto Tshabalala-Msimang, the health minister, chairs the sector. The United States-based Giraldo, a member of President Thabo Mbeki's controversial Aids advisory panel, argues that those who promote the use of condoms and clean needles do so for their own financial gain.

Lewis, in an interview with The Sunday Independent, hit out at the dissident view, saying: "The UN repudiates any proposition claiming that HIV does not cause Aids and that heterosexual transmission is not part of the spread of the disease. The UN simply gives these views no credibility whatsoever."

'Worried that war with Iraq would eclipse every other international human priority'
He said he expected the SADC meeting to focus on the link between famine and Aids, and "I would think one of the things raised would be a call to deal with question of anti-retroviral treatment.

"Zambia has announced it will put 10 000 people on treatment. Mozambique is looking at putting 50 000 people on anti-retrovirals through the private sector. Zimbabwe and Lesotho are both looking at anti-retroviral treatment, and Namibia has started treatment. Botswana brings a lot of experience to the SADC meeting."

Lewis said Tshabalala-Msimang would have to examine costs and numbers involved in implementing anti-retroviral programmes.

"Everyone hopes South Africa will at the earliest possible opportunity be able to provide anti-retrovirals - because of the leadership position South Africa invariably and inevitably has."

According to the UN and aid organisations, more than 14 million people are threatened with starvation over the next six months as a result of food shortages brought about by adverse weather conditions and poor government planning.

"There is absolutely no doubt that hunger and Aids have come together in a Hecate's brew of horror. You can't till the soil, grow the crops or feed the family when disease stalks the land," said Lewis in his briefing at UN headquarters in New York on Wednesday.

Lewis said he had seen on his southern African tour "a crescendo of rage and desperation which governments will ignore at their peril".

"This pandemic cannot be allowed to continue, and those who watch it unfold with a kind of pathological equanimity must be held to account," he said.

"There may yet come a day when we have peacetime tribunals to deal with this particular version of crimes against humanity."

The 15 to 35 percent Aids prevalence rate in the region, and the "incessant, cumulative death of so many productive members of society, means, ultimately, that things fall apart," he said.

There is "no question" that the Aids pandemic can be defeated "with a joint and Herculean effort between the African countries and the international community".

But the Global Fund, set up in 2001 to give assistance to countries in need of money for HIV/Aids prevention and treatment programmes, will be in a critical situation next month.

"If the United States, and the other members of the G7 don't augment their contributions to the Global Fund in the immediate future, we will be in desperate trouble."

Lewis said he was worried that war with Iraq would "eclipse every other international human priority, HIV/Aids included".
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I'll bet you never thought the CIA was on board:

The CIA, recognizing AIDS as a national security issue, projects HIV infection rates for India that indicate that HIV will kill many more people than would a full-scale war with Pakistan. These projections are being branded as alarmist, but perhaps it's time to be an alarmist. Despite years of work among gay men in San Francisco, sex workers in Calcutta and long-distance truck drivers in Africa, we have failed to make a serious dent in the crisis. Yes, there is good news about some local communities changing their destiny by effective action. Yes, new drugs are widely used in rich countries. But overall, the passage of HIV around the world has continued roughly as if we had done nothing.

Taken from this article here:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2003Jan11.html
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