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Old 04-01-2015, 10:10 AM   #931
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This is a good explanation.

Indiana Religious Freedom Restoration Act Allows Private Businesses to Discriminate Against Employees Based on Sexual Orientation — The Atlantic
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Old 04-01-2015, 10:35 PM   #932
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This amost reads like The Onion.

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What the heck?

That guy can't be serious.. this has to be an april fool's joke..
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http://time.com/3768536/indiana-pizza-no-gay-wedding/

This business DID NOT SAY they would not serve gays. They said they WOULD NOT cater pizza for a same-sex marriage celebration. If we are becoming a society that destroys people for not participating in activities that go against their religious convictions, we may soon be living under "mob rule" and tyranny.
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A few things:

1. People cater weddings from pizzerias? Must the east coast elitist in me, but really?
2. If this really the best example the media could find of a business refusing service? What I mean is that it really comes across like the media went knocking on doors until they found the dumbest hick willing to go on record. The whole story reads like something from the Onion.
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Old 04-02-2015, 12:56 PM   #936
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They were just the first to publicly act on it, and yeah it's a bad example. It's a shitty law, but I agree with IH that a dime a dozen service like pizza should be able to be selective in who they CATER to.


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Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

This business DID NOT SAY they would not serve gays. They said they WOULD NOT cater pizza for a same-sex marriage celebration. If we are becoming a society that destroys people for not participating in activities that go against their religious convictions, we may soon be living under "mob rule" and tyranny.

this is so ironic. remember in 2008 when "mob rule" stripped gay people of their rights in California, of all places?

these people live under the same rules as everyone else in Indiana. which means they can refuse to serve all the gay people they want. there are no legal repercussions to this at all. they can kick me and Memphis out if they want. if they want to go on the news and declare how they won't cater a same-sex wedding, then they ought to expect that there's going to be some backlash to that. sure, i feel a little bit bad for them -- they don't come off as the most sophisticated people. but free speech cuts both ways, and it's not free of consequences. and they have the law on their side in Indiana.

don't worry, they've taken their sob story to the right wing echo chamber where they are playing into the cultural rights' newfound sense of victimhood and persecution complex. and they've already been given over $100,000 by anonymous doners.
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They were just the first to publicly act on it, and yeah it's a bad example. It's a shitty law, but I agree with IH that a dime a dozen service like pizza should be able to be selective in who they CATER to.

and they can be! in Indiana, LGBT people can be fired, denied employment, denied housing, all on the basis of simply being LGBT! in Indiana, you get to hurt gay people if you want to! freedom!

but these people are not free from the consequences of their free speech. i imagine the same thing would happen if they came out and said they would not CATER an interracial marriage because God wants the races to remain separate, and please think of the poor biracial children.
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This business DID NOT SAY they would not serve gays. They said they WOULD NOT cater pizza for a same-sex marriage celebration. If we are becoming a society that destroys people for not participating in activities that go against their religious convictions, we may soon be living under "mob rule" and tyranny.

Yet we should live under Christian:biblical law right??


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and they can be! in Indiana, LGBT people can be fired, denied employment, denied housing, all on the basis of simply being LGBT! in Indiana, you get to hurt gay people if you want to! freedom!



but these people are not free from the consequences of their free speech. i imagine the same thing would happen if they came out and said they would not CATER an interracial marriage because God wants the races to remain separate, and please think of the poor biracial children.

You know I stand on your side with this, right? The reasons above are what make the law a horrible piece of legislated hate, but I feel boycotting based on the catering was the wrong battle.

Their reasoning is wrong, but I feel any company should have the right to deny services that might be considered endorsing someone or something they disagree with. I wouldn't print t-shirts for Ted Cruz, NRA, or anything else I didn't want to look like I was endorsing. They shouldn't be able to deny pizza to anyone who is gay, but I support their right to deny catering.


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that is a dangerous slope

I don't know if chosen vocation is a protected class in non-discrimination laws

and I have seen signs in small business that say

"We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone"

I think if Ted Cruz took his family out to get pizza and the owner said
I refuse to serve you, that guy would go to the 'top of the asshole list' along with a tee-shirt maker that turns down business because he wants to be on a'jihad' just as much as some wedding cake bakers.
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Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

This business DID NOT SAY they would not serve gays. They said they WOULD NOT cater pizza for a same-sex marriage celebration. If we are becoming a society that destroys people for not participating in activities that go against their religious convictions, we may soon be living under "mob rule" and tyranny.

thanks for posting this

here is the article for those of you that can't get the link

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"We’re in hiding basically," says co-owner Crystal O’Connor

An Indiana pizzeria remained closed on Wednesday, embroiled in a national debate after its owners said they would not cater gay weddings because of their religious beliefs.

“I don’t know if we will reopen, or if we can, if it’s safe to reopen,” co-owner Crystal O’Connor told TheBlaze TV. “We’re in hiding basically, staying in the house.”

The Walkerton, Ind., pizza parlor is the first business since Indiana passed the highly controversial Religious Freedom Restoration Act to publicly cite religious beliefs as justification to refuse a service to the LGBT community.

The owners said they would serve anybody who came into the restaurant regardless of sexual orientation, but drew the line at weddings. “If a gay couple came in and wanted us to provide pizzas for their wedding, we would have to say no. We are a Christian establishment,” O’Connor told local news outlet WBND-TV Tuesday evening.

The comments sparked social-media uproar, and the company’s Yelp page has been flooded with angry comments. Someone went so far as to buy the domain name Repeal RFRA to post a message against discrimination.

At the same time, people who support the owners’ stance have started a GoFundMe campaign aiming to “relieve the financial loss endured by the proprietors’ stand for faith.” The campaign has raised nearly $50,000 so far.

Indiana’s Religious Freedom Restoration Act is a law prohibiting the government from infringing on the religious beliefs of a business, organization or person. Critics of the bill say it can be used to justify discrimination against the LGBT community.

this is the system at work

everybody has the right to open a business in America -

and the market place will decide if what they are offering is what the public wants

if the public wanted this business to remain open they would have loads of people lining up to keep them open.

American capitalism working efficiently, they got more publicity in one day then all the rest of the time they were open.

Thinking about this just a little more. I heard they got over $100,000 in contributions from people supporting them. I wonder if like a lot of small business they were barely hanging on, and taking the money and closing may be the most money they will ever see. Also, they could play this up like that murderer oops, killer George Zimmerman and really run the donations up.



http://www.thewrap.com/indiana-pizze...-gay-comments/
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ok, there it is

Support Memories Pizza by Lawrence Billy Jones III - GoFundMe


they are cheap (or smart) gay bashing exploiters

probably the same gene pool of people that funded the killer George Zimmerman




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$214,913 of $200k

7,559 DONATIONS RECENT

$11
Anonymous
1 min ago

$25
Anonymous
2 mins ago

$25
Paul Rounds
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Happy to be part of those fighting back!
$5
Anonymous
4 mins ago

$100
Anonymous
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$5
Jeff Parks
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$5
Anonymous
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$10
Anonymous
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$45

Carol Lindrose
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If we lived near you, we would support your business (Just like when we supported Chick-Fil-A). Hope this shows how you are supported! We are praying for you!
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Don't become what you claim to detest.

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this is a modern day miracle, like when David slew Goliath

the righteous will prevail,
and surely one day, Sodom and Gomorrah will fall, again

God Bless America!
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They are averaging $10K an hour, crazy.
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