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Old 02-22-2015, 02:03 AM   #766
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And if she was? That's why there should be non-discrimination laws. If you own a business, you should be required to serve the public regardless of personal biases towards a person's innate characteristics.


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Actually no. You should not be 'required' if you own a business.

BUT the medical industry is something different.


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Old 02-22-2015, 03:17 AM   #767
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There's sometimes a reason for being allowed to refuse service, though.

If that reason is an innate characteristic such as race, religion, sexual orientation, etc. then they shouldn't be allowed to refuse service based on those reasons.


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Actually no. You should not be 'required' if you own a business.

BUT the medical industry is something different.


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So if there's one grocery store in town and they refuse service to someone because they're LGBTQ, then what is that person supposed to do?


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What they've been doing, saying something about it. People will stop shopping there, spreading the bad press, etc.
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So if there's one grocery store in town and they refuse service to someone because they're LGBTQ, then what is that person supposed to do?


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A monopoly is something different.


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Old 02-22-2015, 01:13 PM   #771
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It's getting kinda libertarian in here guys... wouldn't want anyone to throw away their vote for Gary Johnson now would we?
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Okay, what if there are no places in town that will serve them?


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What they've been doing, saying something about it. People will stop shopping there, spreading the bad press, etc.

Or it'll actually end up increasing their business...look at what happened with Chick fil-A.


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Okay, what if there are no places in town that will serve them?


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I think it depends on the business or service. My issue was with your wording "to be required", I'm all for nondiscriminatory laws, but I also believe in a business' right to refuse service. For example if I'm a tshirt maker I want the right to refuse my services to the Westboro Church or the KKK.


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So if there's one grocery store in town and they refuse service to someone because they're LGBTQ, then what is that person supposed to do?


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I misread this as one grocery store meaning one of many, not one of one.
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I think it depends on the business or service. My issue was with your wording "to be required", I'm all for nondiscriminatory laws, but I also believe in a business' right to refuse service. For example if I'm a tshirt maker I want the right to refuse my services to the Westboro Church or the KKK.
Or gay people?
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Or gay people?

Yes. If there was an independently owned tshirt maker that didn't want to make shirts for a pride parade or anything else he had conflict with he should have the right to say no. Those clients can then go to the media and let people know that it's not a gay friendly establishment and then find a maker that wants to make their shirts. The quality will probably be better from the establishment that wants to rather than required to.


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I think it depends on the business or service. My issue was with your wording "to be required", I'm all for nondiscriminatory laws, but I also believe in a business' right to refuse service. For example if I'm a tshirt maker I want the right to refuse my services to the Westboro Church or the KKK.


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There's a difference between a tshirt company or a baker not wanting to print a message that is offensive to them and not offering services because of their innate characteristics. If a baker refused to put a pro-gay slogan on a wedding cake then that would be okay.

What is not okay is not baking a simple, neutral wedding cake for a gay couple because they're gay. That would be discriminating against a person based on innate characteristics.

Another example, a grocery store or barbershop has no right to refuse service to a neo-Nazi if they're simply shopping at the store. But, a tshirt company can refuse to print neo-Nazi slogans on a tshirt.


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How does that extremely selective legislation get passed and vetted? Who gets to decide the exceptions and fine definitions within such a law?


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