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Old 10-31-2014, 08:00 AM   #706
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Because people should be allowed to come out on their own accord, not because everyone around them is talking about them.

Furthermore, for those who aren't actually gay, it's not fair to speculate about them when you don't know anything about them.
Why is it not fair to speculate about straight people, but is for gays?


Either way I don't see why it's so offensive to speculate about someone's sexuality. Either option is cool, there's nothing wrong with being gay or straight, so why would this be offensive and not someone's preferences for say, dinner?
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Why is it not fair to speculate about straight people, but is for gays?


Either way I don't see why it's so offensive to speculate about someone's sexuality. Either option is cool, there's nothing wrong with being gay or straight, so why would this be offensive and not someone's preferences for say, dinner?
When someone is in the closet or in denial, it's not your place or anyone else's place to say anything. People should be allowed to work at their own pace.

Of course there's nothing wrong with being gay our straight. That doesn't mean you have the right to interfere with someone's personal business.
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Because people should be allowed to come out on their own accord, not because everyone around them is talking about them.

Furthermore, for those who aren't actually gay, it's not fair to speculate about them when you don't know anything about them.


i think Tim Cook did come out on his own accord, and what i loved about it was that he didn't describe it as incidental, but as a critical part of his identity and worldview, and also as a gift. it's not the only thing he is, but it's central to who he is as a person.

for those who aren't actually gay, i agree that we shouldn't necessarily assume anything about anyone, guess some of that may come with the territory if you are a public figure (i.e., Oprah and Gayle, etc). there is such a thing as "gaydar," and i don't think it's the worst thing in the world to be mistaken for gay (or straight, if you are gay). if someone finds that really offensive, maybe it's they who have the problem?
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Well, my point wasn't about Cook in specific.

People don't necessarily find it as offensive in the light you're speaking of it. It's got nothing to do with gay vs straight. It has everything to do with "none of your business."

I had a roommate who had a really effeminate voice. He's straight. Everyone would always ask me if I thought he was gay. Why is that fair to someone to be labeled in the minds of others? No, there's nothing wrong with being gay. But, for example, back on GGs topic of dinner selection.... Don't you think it'd be annoying if every time you sat down to dinner and the waiter or waitress said "you probably love sushi" just because you're Asian?
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As long as you're not treating the person any differently, I don't think a little idle speculation should be cause for much concern.
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As long as you're not treating the person any differently, I don't think a little idle speculation should be cause for much concern.

It's a form of microaggression. LuckyNumber7 explained perfectly.


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Wondering whether someone is gay, if you have absolutely no problem if they are and if you aren't in their face asking them if they are, doesn't strike me as a microaggression.

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Gay for pay pornstars are quite attractive and shouldn't be discriminated either, heck they have to make a living too no?
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Wondering whether someone is gay, if you have absolutely no problem if they are and if you aren't in their face asking them if they are, doesn't strike me as a microaggression.

Well I think there's a fine line between wondering and speculating or assuming though.
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True, it's a different thing when someone is assuming things. But I don't think it's bad to wonder about it.
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What exactly is the purpose of this thread? It does not matter what anyone's preference is, we are all people with feelings.


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I appreciate the thought, but maybe you should read the thread?

People who are gay don't have the luxury of pretending it doesn't matter, since they are treated differently by the world. It does matter. And sometimes in a good way.

Also, "preference" isn't a good word to use. "Orientation" is more accurate.


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Pretty much that there's a lot of places in this world where it still DOES matter, sadly enough. And we tend to discuss that and rejoice when another US state or a country joins the future in realising that we're actually all humans and that it's fucking dumb to hate someone just because an age old book tells us so.
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I was reading Right Wing Watch this morning (it's a blog run by People for the American Way that tracks the horribly bigoted things prominent right-wingers say) and they found this column that was the typical bigoted screed against LGBTQ people. What was interesting is that the column quoted a U2 song. And not just any U2 song, but the original version of Mercy.

Here's the quote from the column: "In his song 'Mercy,' Bono stated that love is 'charity and brings with it a clarity.'"

And here's a link to the Right Wing Watch article about the column: http://www.rightwingwatch.org/conten...ying-america-0



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