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Old 03-01-2014, 03:16 PM   #211
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Wow! There's a new topic here. While religion in a free society is a choice; once accepted isn't one then bound to act in accordance with that religion? If one hopes to glorify God in all they do can they knowingly participate or foster an activity which for thousands of years has been taught to be forbidden or unholy?

In a pluralistic society one accepts that they need not agree or sanction all individual activities to practice the Golden Rule knowing that visa-versa not everyone sanctions your beliefs. Translation; Tolerance needs to be a two-way street.
No, you are not bound to anything.

It's still a choice. You CHOOSE to bind yourself to certain things, to limit your life in certain ways, it would be just as much choice to opt out.

Why should the rest of the world have to change because YOU decide to change according to a book written a couple thousand years ago?

Tolerance needs to be a two way street indeed. You can practice your religion IMO, go ahead, go to church, don't eat pork, I don't care. But in return I'd like some basic human rights. I wasn't planning to go out prancing in the streets making out with my girlfriend or anything, so don't be afraid... if you practice your Christianity in private, I'll do my stuff in private as well. Nobody bothers anyone. Everybody happy... right?
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That's not intolerant.

You choose whether or not you want to believe in god. You choose whether or not you want to have sex. You choose whether or not you want to buy that new TV. You choose who you want to be with.

You don't choose whether you like the taste of that pizza. Or whether or not you get sick (albeit this might be preventable). You don't choose what color eyes you have. You don't choose how tall you are. You don't choose what sexual orientation you are (unless you're a strange person).

There's a clear difference between a choice and innate behavior.
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Oh?
I figured FYM readers were smart enough to realize that while there are and will always be bigots of all strips no one is attempting to codify into law discrimination against gays.

I was wrong.
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I figured FYM readers were smart enough to realize that while there are and will always be bigots of all strips no one is attempting to codify into law discrimination against gays.

I was wrong.
That's more or less what the Arizona law was about, dude. If you wanna put your head in the sand about that, be my guest.
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While religion in a free society is a choice; once accepted isn't one then bound to act in accordance with that religion?
This is the salient difference between religious liberalism and lconservatism. Conservatism accepts the sacred book or statement as divine fiat--it simply is and is subject to no further moral investigation. Any command or action of God or anything sanctioned by God is necessarily right, and the believer can simply accept it at face value. Liberalism holds that the book or statement may contain errors and needs to be subject to reason and one's own inner moral sense, or the divine light/Holy Spirit within.

So, if your dogma holds that your dogma can't be examined by outside standards, then yes. But, refusing to be guided by an inner standard and relying absolutely on an external guide can lead to some bad places. The Nuremberg trials essentially codified that you can't get rid of your own moral agency no matter how much you want to--that you're always morally responsible for your actions no matter who told you to do it. I think that's a good standard.
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That's exactly what the AZ law was doing. That's exactly what these marriage amendments are about.

Defend marriage from whom?
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That's exactly what the AZ law was doing. That's exactly what these marriage amendments are about.

Defend marriage from whom?
[spooky hands]The Gay Agenda!*[/spooky hands]

*The Gay Agenda is defined as more than one** gay person taking any coordinated action that forces straight Christian Americans to consider that maybe their religious beliefs shouldn't have the power to deny other people equal treatment in a secular society.

**Because they're not against gay people individually - why, they have good friends who are gay, donchya know?
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I mean, this is all a "letter of the law" vs. "intent of the law" situation, but apparently I'm too stupid to understand all of this since INDY disagrees with me on something.
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Would you use one of these INDY?

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And risk getting the gay? I don't think so.
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[spooky hands]The Gay Agenda!*[/spooky hands]

*The Gay Agenda is defined as more than one** gay person taking any coordinated action that forces straight Christian Americans to consider that maybe their religious beliefs shouldn't have the power to deny other people equal treatment in a secular society.

**Because they're not against gay people individually - why, they have good friends who are gay, donchya know?
Soooo, does that mean it's actually The Christian Agenda that is operating here?


I mean, I've no problem with individual Christians.. I even have a couple of friends that are Christian! I just don't want them to gang up on me because I disagree with who they are! Oh wait, I don't disagree with who they are, just what they believe.... so as long as they don't force their beliefs down my throat we're fine.... ohwait.
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Would you use one of these INDY?

Do I have to do anything... weird to get my money out? - 9GAG


Unicorns and rainbows? That ain't gay, that's clearly an LSD TM lol.
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Now that sounds like fun.
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