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Old 02-08-2008, 10:50 AM   #106
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Maybe, but the "real conservatives" would rather not vote than vote for McCain (see Rush Limbaugh, James Dobson, etc) .

I guess they'd rather hand over the Presidency (and therefore any nominations for Supreme court) to the Dems rather than vote for McCain. Oh well, just shows again how stupid they are.
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Old 02-08-2008, 01:42 PM   #107
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Certain posters' fantasies aside, the Republicans are really the party with their panties all wadded up. Steve was watching some conservative station yesterday and Orrin Hatch was on. Apparently, he and the host were discussing how many Republican voters should just stay home rather than vote for McCain.


Babies.
The Republicans have a nominee, the Democrats don't.

The reality of the situation is that only certain states are going to matter in November. Most of the people that are currently upset about McCain and will allegedly stay home live in states that are going to go red whether they show up at the voting booth or not.

What matters are the following states Ohio, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Iowa, New Mexico, New Hampshire, Nevada, Colorado, Minnesota, Michigan, Florida, Oregon and Missouri.
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but it's the evangelicals who turned Ohio and Florida Red.

without them, those states are Blue.
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but it's the evangelicals who turned Ohio and Florida Red.

without them, those states are Blue.
I seriously doubt that since most of them do not live there except for northern Florida. If McCain puts Governor Criss on the ticket then that secures Florida. Ohio is not Alabama, and neither is Pennsylvania which may go red this year for the first time since Bush Sr won it in 1988. The margin of victory by the Democrats in Pennsylvania has dropped every election since 1992.
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I seriously doubt that since most of them do not live there except for northern Florida. If McCain puts Governor Criss on the ticket then that secures Florida. Ohio is not Alabama, and neither is Pennsylvania which may go red this year for the first time since Bush Sr won it in 1988. The margin of victory by the Democrats in Pennsylvania has dropped every election since 1992.


Ohio has evangelicals who turned out to gay bash and this flipped the state for Bush in 2004. it's precisely because Ohio is not Alabama, or Tennessee, that the evangelicals there matter so much, just as they do in Pennsylvania which has aptly been described as "Philadelphia and Pittsburgh, with Alabama in between."

there is no way Crist will be on the ticket.
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It will be Huckabee, a wonderful way to attract those moderates and independents! Woooo!

Is that windbag Lou Dobbs still talking about running?
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It will be Huckabee, a wonderful way to attract those moderates and independents! Woooo!

Is that windbag Lou Dobbs still talking about running?
Lou Dobbs was talking about running?
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Yes, as an independent.
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Yes, as an independent.
Gee, that sounds like a good idea.
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He'd get lots of votes from the immigrant bashing crowd, actually.
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He'd get lots of votes from the immigrant bashing crowd, actually.
That is true, but I don't think too many others would take him seriously, thank God. He's like Bill O'Reilly to me; I can't watch his show for more than 2 minutes without feeling my IQ start to drop. The lack of applied intelligence and logical thinking in both of them makes me want bang my head against the wall.
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He'd get lots of votes from the immigrant bashing crowd, actually.


i take back my prediction that McCain is going to pander to the right by bashing gays first.

i bet he's going to start by kicking some Mexicans.
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I don't think McCain can really do that without being branded the biggest flip flopper in the history of flip flopping. Besides, what would be the point? He's running against somebody who isn't going to make immigration an issue anyway. The only way he starts bashing is if some loon like Dobbs runs on a 3rd party ticket and starts siphoning Republican votes.
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i take back my prediction that McCain is going to pander to the right by bashing gays first.

i bet he's going to start by kicking some Mexicans.

He's already shying away from the immigration bill he originally co-sponsored with Hillary Clinton, Ted Kennedy, and others. I'd say he's started to play the part quite well already.
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Ohio has evangelicals who turned out to gay bash and this flipped the state for Bush in 2004. it's precisely because Ohio is not Alabama, or Tennessee, that the evangelicals there matter so much, just as they do in Pennsylvania which has aptly been described as "Philadelphia and Pittsburgh, with Alabama in between."

there is no way Crist will be on the ticket.
Bush also won significantly among Catholics in 2004 in Ohio, 52% to 47%, if such exit polling is accurate. In any event, I think the whole evangelical vote is overrated, and no one has precise figures on the views and religion of everyone who voted in Ohio in 2004. Just exit polls which also showed that John Kerry was going to win the election. Bottom line, McCain is Pro-life, Hillary and Obama are not, so most of these people who voted in 2004 will vote in 2008, just like they always have.

Has Crist specifically said he would not accept being on the ticket?
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