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Old 02-06-2008, 11:56 PM   #91
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But women don't think, they're just ruled by emotions.
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A lot of women who really wanted the woman to win may be angry, and while they may like Obama alright, they'll stay home because "their" candidate didn't win. Same goes for Hillary winning and the black voters being disappointed.

http://www.latimes.com/news/columnis...ck=3&cset=true

Here's a little piece about a man who just might take his ball and go home to pout.
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What do you mean?
I mean you could have picked one of the several sexists quotes Matthews has been documented as saying and I would have respected that.

But you chose a hyperbole? One in the vein of someone saying, "not liking baseball is un-American", as one of the stupidest things you've heard in your life? There are at least 3 quotes in this thread that far far worse and actually qualify as stupid comments. Let's just say you went beyond bias on this one.
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I mean you could have picked one of the several sexists quotes Matthews has been documented as saying and I would have respected that.

But you chose a hyperbole? One in the vein of someone saying, "not liking baseball is un-American", as one of the stupidest things you've heard in your life? There are at least 3 quotes in this thread that far far worse and actually qualify as stupid comments. Let's just say you went beyond bias on this one.
Wow.

You know, that's a really bad analogy. Nobody is trying to get baseball elected president.

I wasn't simply a "hyperbole." It was a stupid and offensive thing to say. I know you and most everyone here probably doesn't see that because you probably all agree with him. But look at it from the eyes of someone who (call me crazy) isn't completely awed and amazed at Obama. What if a comment like that had been made by Sean Hannity about Mitt Romney? Would you still say it was just a hyperbole? It's obvious Chris Matthews is rooting for Obama, but to say something dishonest like that to clearly try to attract more votes for him is disgraceful.
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right wingers say it about Reagan all the time
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http://www.latimes.com/news/columnis...ck=3&cset=true

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"In broader strokes, Heft says, is McCain's willingness to partner with Democrats on legislation. And McCain's desire to close the Guantanamo detention center or to give suspected terrorists access to U.S. courts. Or that in the 2000 campaign McCain implied that evangelical Christians, like Heft, are intolerant."

Why the fuck are these Conservatives so scared of unity and working together? That's how our government is designed to work. How could people be so blazingly ignorant? This paragraph and all you said in it, Mr Heft, might have something to do with McCain calling Evangelicals "intolerant". Supporting a prison that allows the torture of another human being and thinking your opinions are too superior to possibly compromise with someone else isn't exactly the most tolerant approach to life. This makes me sick on every level.
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Wow.

You know, that's a really bad analogy. Nobody is trying to get baseball elected president.

I wasn't simply a "hyperbole." It was a stupid and offensive thing to say. I know you and most everyone here probably doesn't see that because you probably all agree with him. But look at it from the eyes of someone who (call me crazy) isn't completely awed and amazed at Obama. What if a comment like that had been made by Sean Hannity about Mitt Romney? Would you still say it was just a hyperbole? It's obvious Chris Matthews is rooting for Obama, but to say something dishonest like that to clearly try to attract more votes for him is disgraceful.
I would still consider it hyperbole, as much as I dislike both Sean Hannity and Mitt Romney. I see it as an overexaggeration of a quality that a person admires in someone else. That is the very definition of hyperbole in that instance. I think the difference in opinion between you and those of us on the hyperbole side is similar to what you said about your disdain for Obama. You clearly disagree with him on a political point of view and feel he would be the wrong president. Therefore, it's completely foreign to you to feel that way about Obama. It would sound just as crazy for me to hear someone like Hannity or Bill O'Reilly saying something similar about Romney or McCain. I think they would be the wrong choice as president, so on the surface I would think a statement like the one Matthews made about Obama is crazy because I can't imagine feeling that way. Stepping back and looking objectively though, I would just see someone attempting to show the depth of their support for said candidate.


On a side note, a baseball would probably do a better job running the country than our current president...
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Wow.

You know, that's a really bad analogy. Nobody is trying to get baseball elected president.
I said it was in the same vein... It's a common phrase, "_____ is un-American", people don't really mean it.

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I wasn't simply a "hyperbole." It was a stupid and offensive thing to say. I know you and most everyone here probably doesn't see that because you probably all agree with him. But look at it from the eyes of someone who (call me crazy) isn't completely awed and amazed at Obama. What if a comment like that had been made by Sean Hannity about Mitt Romney? Would you still say it was just a hyperbole? It's obvious Chris Matthews is rooting for Obama, but to say something dishonest like that to clearly try to attract more votes for him is disgraceful.
Now it's offensive? Probably all agree with him? Yes we all literally agree that if you don't cry at an Obama speech then you aren't an American. Wow, you figured us out. We actually have secret underground meetings and we ruled on this. That's our way of knowing who's really an American and who isn't. The first day of office Obama is going to give a speech and every dry eye gets deported.
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it would be nice if both parties split in half... alas, it'll never happen.
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it would be nice if both parties split in half... alas, it'll never happen.
4 parties? I think there may be too much deadlock with 4 parties.

I think if a portion of both parties left the existing parties and joined to create a new party it would make more sense...
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well that would be almost the same thing... as long as we let the ideologues stick to themselves while the rational, free thinking people run the country.
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Certain posters' fantasies aside, the Republicans are really the party with their panties all wadded up. Steve was watching some conservative station yesterday and Orrin Hatch was on. Apparently, he and the host were discussing how many Republican voters should just stay home rather than vote for McCain.


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in some ways, though, McCain is in a good position.

he's dangerous from the middle. he is much to the left of the base of the Republican party, and he has a history of playing well with others, or being a "traitor" if you'd like to watch Nancy Pelosi burned at the stake like Rush, Hannity, Coulter, Dobson, et al.

so the Democrats have to portray him as being too far to the right for independents, moderates, and the liberal GOP to ever vote for. certainly his stance on Iraq will help, but they have to frame him as being a right wing warmonger who's admitted to his own economic deficiencies. but the more the Democrats push him to the right, the more palatable he might become to the base.

could be very interesting.
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