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Old 01-06-2012, 02:08 PM   #661
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Bit off-topic, but one thing that really surprised me when living in China was the speed with which East Asians have taken to dairy products
shush, that's keeping the new zealand economy afloat!
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Old 01-06-2012, 04:22 PM   #662
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Not at all surprising. Anybody who has done any research at all into the dairy lobby knows this. iron horse is still plugging his ears away, having apparently done zero research about the impact that dairy has had on human health.

Harvard Declares Dairy NOT Part of a Healthy Diet | Care2 Healthy Living
Unfortunately American cheese is mostly mass-produced bland stuff, maybe this is partially why anti-dairy propaganda is gaining so much traction in the US these days.

American Cheese, What Does It Really Say About America? - Broowaha

I like a nibble of Stilton or Cashel Blue after a meal in a good restaurant.

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I admit to a weakness for Brie and even 45%+ fat Camembert. Of course, like all luxuries, fine cheeses should not be consumed to great excess.

If God expected us to live on lettuce leaves and soya, he would not have given us cows to milk now would he!
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Unfortunately American cheese is mostly mass-produced bland stuff, maybe this is partially why anti-dairy propaganda is gaining so much traction in the US these days.


actually, there are wonderful artisan cheeses available produced all over the US. it's kind of like with beer -- sure, Budweiser is basically water, but every city is awash in microbreweries.

i am all about the Stilton as well.
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actually, there are wonderful artisan cheeses available produced all over the US.
Oh sure. I read an article about a woman that runs a small business producing artisan cheese in the US on (I think) the Bloomberg site recently.

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it's kind of like with beer -- sure, Budweiser is basically water, but every city is awash in microbreweries.

i am all about the Stilton as well.
I tend to prefer US beers to European, whether artisan or mass market varieties. Budweiser is the Elixir of the Gods compared to European mass market beers like Heineken or Carlsberg.
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There are several nationally renowned artisanal cheesemakers (mostly goat's) within maybe an hour's drive or so of where we live. But virtually all their product is immediately exported to the East Coast and Chicago, primarily because not enough locals can afford it. Kind of like what's happened with catfish aquaculture where I grew up--as recently as when my parents arrived there in the 60s, it was still the local poor man's staple (and looked down on as such by others); nowadays virtually all the domestic supply is still produced there, but virtually all of it gets exported to the East Coast, where it doubtless goes into some chic Vietnamese fusion dish or something, as it's become too pricey for locals.

It's fair to say though that an awful lot of Americans remain very squeamish about any cheese that looks or smells like it might actually taste like cheese, as opposed to a comfortingly flavorless blanket of melty goop coating your entree (or here in the Midwest, perfectly uniform waxy shreds heaped over your "salad" ).
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shush, that's keeping the new zealand economy afloat!
lol, really? Never occurred to me that milk might be being imported from that far away. Really shouldn't surprise me though, since most of the chicken I bought there came from the US.
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Well, the thing about good cheese is that it should actually smell, in some cases quite pungently. Which takes some getting used to, granted.

In typical US convenience stores, can you buy half-decent pre-packaged cheeses at all? Do any of the large supermarkets have cheese counters (where there are both pre-packaged and artisan cheeses on display, and an attendant in a white coat cuts up the latter for customers, much like in a butcher shop), or are they only available in specialised outlets?

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Definitely only in specialized outlets (cheese shops, ethnic markets, gourmet delis, a few farmer's markets) to be found in big cities, wealthier towns, some college towns. (And probably some high-end supermarkets, too--we don't have any stores by that description where I live though, so I couldn't say for sure.)
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Ok. In Ireland I can remember when even mid-market chains typically had cheese counters in larger stores, but they seem to have become less common over time. Superquinn, a high-end supermarket chain, still has them in most stores.
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lol, really? Never occurred to me that milk might be being imported from that far away. Really shouldn't surprise me though, since most of the chicken I bought there came from the US.
really really. even including the travel costs, i pay more for locally produced dairy products than i would pay in china or the middle east for nz made dairy products.

if it wasn't for china and such subsiding our milk my morning coffee would cost the earth.
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I heard we were talking about cheese in here. I love cheese.

Can we keep talking about cheese?

FUCK YEAH, CHEESE!
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I tend to prefer US beers to European, whether artisan or mass market varieties. Budweiser is the Elixir of the Gods compared to European mass market beers like Heineken or Carlsberg.
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I tend to prefer US beers to European, whether artisan or mass market varieties. Budweiser is the Elixir of the Gods compared to European mass market beers like Heineken or Carlsberg.


really? i love Carlsberg, Stella, etc. i'd only drink Bud Light if it were cheap, likely at a concert or sporting event, and the point of the drink wasn't the taste. don't particularly like Heineken, though. Belgian trappist beers are my favorites. trying to avoid beer in general, though, these days. would rather wine or vodka.

you can find somewhat interesting cheeses at mid-market chains like Safeway and Giant, but if you want the good stuff, you need to go to higher-end stores like Trader Joes and Whole Foods. luckily, since i live in a highly urban area, i can walk to both stores both from home and from work. the cheese is great. it's virtually the only dairy i eat since i never liked milk (though do put half-and-half in my coffee).

i do think that European grocery stores have better cheese selection on average, but cheese in the US, much like coffee or beer, has developed an uppity niche that didn't exist 20 years ago, and we're all the better for it.

i'm also shocked at how, in the midwest, everything is covered in cheese. it actually took an Australian to point that out to me -- cheese is dumped on *everything* in some mid-level restaurants serving standard fare.
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i'm also shocked at how, in the midwest, everything is covered in cheese. it actually took an Australian to point that out to me -- cheese is dumped on *everything* in some mid-level restaurants serving standard fare.
We do love our cheese out here, yes.

I've never had any of the fancier kinds of cheese. Mainly just the American cheddar cheese. We don't have a Whole Foods or anything of that sort here in my town, so my options for that sort of thing aren't very big.
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i remember being floored while in Western PA and being served french fries in my salad. and that, too, was drowned in shredded cheese.

not that it wasn't good.
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NYC Mayor Bloomberg, one of the Food Police's most active crusaders is, after his successful campaign against tobacco and trans-fats, is on the move again fighting to make the city "The Nanny Capital of the World".

His new target is alcoholic beverages.

Mayor Bloomberg Plans To Limit Alcohol Sales And Advertising In New Health Initiative [UPDATE]
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