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Old 11-04-2010, 09:56 PM   #316
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Quorn vegetarian stuff is quite good. It's not Tofu; it's protein from egg whites and fungus (mushrooms).
oh, well since you put it that way...

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I'm not quite sure what your point is here. Why does having to eat make it ok to market poison to kids?
I had a feeling that might be confusing thinking back on it, sorry . I just meant that even if food is bad, it's still food, and it's still necessary to eat something. Again, you'll get no argument from me that fast food places should do away with the crap that does get put into meat and such and keep it natural and "clean", but the stuff you eat from McDonald's probably isn't any better or worse than half the other crap that we ingest into our bodies day in and day out, intentionally or otherwise.

The marketing stuff is dumb, though, yes. But I think marketing unhealthy things is bad regardless of whether you're targeting children or adults. Until the day comes when practices like that are made illegal, which I don't see happening anytime soon, in the meantime the best thing we can do is just resist the marketing as much as possible and encourage others to avoid it as well.

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But they're already making options with fruit instead of fries, or veggie instead of fries. This law is saying that those that reach certain nutritional expectations CAN have the toy.
And all I'm saying is I don't understand why we're expecting a fast food place to suddenly provide fruit or vegetables. It just always seemed bizarre to me that people are suddenly having this revelation that a place that serves greasy, quickly made food is not the healthiest option. This is news?

As for the toy thing, I really don't care about that aspect of it all. I have no opinion one way or another on that.

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At the end of the day, no one's freedom of choice has been violated. End of story.
Oh, absolutely. Please don't misunderstand, I'm certainly not sitting here believing this is some horrid conspiracy by the government or anything, 'cause it really isn't and to think otherwise is quite funny. I just think some personal responsibility is in order, is all. So long as a product is legal, regardless of how good or bad it is, people are going to sell it. If you don't like it, don't buy it. And you can put all the healthy food in you want, you can change the menus all you wish, but the obesity problem will still exist in other forms, and we have to solve it across the board.

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Old 11-04-2010, 11:22 PM   #318
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oh, well since you put it that way...



Seriously, when you get down to it, think of the clinical description of almost anything you eat. Gross.


Mmmm, this is the meaty, tissue-y, stringy packet of vitamins that is rotting to provide the medium for the seeds to repropagate.

(^any fruit)
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I just became a vegaterian.
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Quorn vegetarian stuff is quite good. It's not Tofu; it's protein from egg whites and fungus (mushrooms). I like their fake turkey loaf a lot. It doesn't look terribly appetizing, but whatever.
I love the Quorn grounds. Great in dishes where you would use ground beef or turkey such as chili, spaghetti sauce, soups, etc.
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I love the Quorn grounds. Great in dishes where you would use ground beef or turkey such as chili, spaghetti sauce, soups, etc.
I haven't tried their ground meat substitute yet. I will.
I've used Morningstar Farm's and Smart Food's though--both pretty good. I love it in spaghetti sauce.
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I've got a friend on facebook (who I'm quickly coming to despise) that constantly spams with vegetarian propaganda. His latest go to argument is that humans are truly herbivores and when we eat meat, we're going against what nature intends. I really want to punch him in his face
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^ I don't know if there's any scientific discipline--maybe even academic discipline, period--more bastardized than nutrition by people who think they're experts, based on having read one book by some underqualified expert or another zealously promoting his preferred way of eating--vegan, Paleo, raw, Atkins, whatever. I like browsing cooking blogs and forums occasionally, but I avoid their "nutrition" subforums like the plague (unless I'm looking for lols), because they're full of people who couldn't manage a basic explanation of how bruises form or toenails grow, pontificating about how those devious Food Police have been lying all along about ____ being bad for you, as proven by this 1949 study on Pipsqueak Islanders by Dr. Nobody--they ate it all the time yet had the BEST serum albumin, mean corpuscular volume, and glycated hemoglobin levels he'd ever seen, blah blah blah. They'll have boatloads of factoids memorized, and can spit them up on cue when they spot the right trigger words, but you can tell they don't actually understand anything they're saying, and it'd be total deer-in-the-headlights time if an actual nutritionist joined the discussion and asked them to elaborate on something.
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I've got a friend on facebook (who I'm quickly coming to despise) that constantly spams with vegetarian propaganda. His latest go to argument is that humans are truly herbivores and when we eat meat, we're going against what nature intends. I really want to punch him in his face
I understand that vegetarians can be a self-righteous bunch, as I've been one for quite some time. But I also cannot tell you how many times I've heard the same type of "natural" argument used against me - and without provocation, I might add - as in "it is biologically natural for humans to eat meat." The irony there is that, unless those people are eating meat from a local farm, there is probably nothing "natural" about what they are consuming.

My point here, I suppose, is that meat-eaters can be just as defensive and self-righteous about their diet as can vegetarians. Trust me, I've seen it more times than I care to relate.
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No doubt. I actually hate telling people I'm vegetarian because it's tiring to have to tell them why. Either that or "oh, you're one of them". I guess the difference being that the self righteous vegetarians are actively trying to convert people, while the self righteous meat eaters are more reactionary.
My problem with my facebook friend's point isn't his use of the 'natural' arguement, but rather his blatant use of misinformation and outright lying to try and convert people. when you have to lie to support your cause, you've sort of lost your way
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You raise a great point about the proselytizing. It's strictly unnecessary on both sides. I don't try to convert anybody, nor do I talk about my reasons unless I am directly asked. Even then, I usually dodge the question for the same reasons that you mentioned.

I do have one story worth sharing about people inquiring about my reasons. I met a girl at a restaurant, and she offered me a chicken wing. I refused, and she asked me why. When I told her that I was a vegetarian, she responded with the following: "Doesn't it say in the Bible that God put animals here for us to use?"

It was the worst first impression of my entire life.
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I do have one story worth sharing about people inquiring about my reasons. I met a girl at a restaurant, and she offered me a chicken wing. I refused, and she asked me why. When I told her that I was a vegetarian, she responded with the following: "Doesn't it say in the Bible that God put animals here for us to use?"

It was the worst first impression of my entire life.
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hahaha

No matter how hot that girl was, I would no longer be able to look at her the same way
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You raise a great point about the proselytizing. It's strictly unnecessary on both sides. I don't try to convert anybody, nor do I talk about my reasons unless I am directly asked. Even then, I usually dodge the question for the same reasons that you mentioned.
Sounds like the best way to handle it. Vegetarian or meat-eater, I do not care, whatever tastes good to you. Just respect each other's choices.

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I do have one story worth sharing about people inquiring about my reasons. I met a girl at a restaurant, and she offered me a chicken wing. I refused, and she asked me why. When I told her that I was a vegetarian, she responded with the following: "Doesn't it say in the Bible that God put animals here for us to use?"

It was the worst first impression of my entire life.
Oh, no . I'm sorry!

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Good point Finance Guy.

People my age drank whole milk as children, had real butter on their toast and then played outside. None of my friends or I were obese. Actually, we were quite skinny. Obesity at that time, was extremely rare for children and was more often due to medical problems, than lifestyle.

P.S. Iron Horse, I don't find your threads or post offensive. I enjoy reading everyone's point of view. It helps me to learn more about these topics.

Thanks to Finance Guy and to you for your comments.
And if I may kindly say, to all comments on this thread.


A Stor, to me you nailed the issue with your comment about back in day.

I teach in the same public middle that I attended as a student years ago.
Like you said, back then we were drinking whole milk, butter on our toast, drinking small cokes(sweetened with cane sugar) and walking to school, riding bicycles to school, and playing outside.

I remember only a few kids who were obese. We were skinny.

Today, many of my student are obese. I would guess that almost half of them are overweight.

What do they tell me they do after school?

They are either watching TV or online.
Often until very late in the evening.

When I drive through the neighborhood today, it's rare to see kids outside playing.

What are they eating at school?
My best description is no salt, low-fat, mechanically processed junk food.

For example: low-fat chocolate milk sweetened with high fructose corn syrup.

Lunch is only 28 minutes long and student who choose to eat outside must remain seated. No outside basketball games, no running on the track field, no physical activity.

The elementary schools, in our district, have recess time down to ten or fifteen minutes.
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