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Old 03-14-2006, 07:19 PM   #1
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The Evil in This World

I am a Christian and I believe the evil in this world comes from Lucifer (the fallen angel) and the ones who followed in the rebellion against God.


And, I believe, the wrongs in this world come from the evil in our hearts.

We seem, so many times, to be happy to dance with the Devil.


What do you believe?
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Old 03-14-2006, 08:10 PM   #2
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Easy. Evil does not exist...at least in a supernatural sense.

It's a result of the interconnectedness of humanity through time and space. That is, the actions and words we make today will have an impact 10,000+ years later like a domino effect. Likewise, just as we're reaping the harvest of past conflict, we're sowing the seeds for future ones.

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I don't believe evil comes from the Devil. I'm not sure I believe good comes from God. I think we manage to do both pretty well on our own.
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Who pushed the first domino?
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Who pushed the first domino?
It's part of our evolution. The domino was pushed the first time single-celled organisms competed for food and some lost. Even a virus only acts for itself and nothing else.

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And that is the root of evil?
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And that is the root of evil?
The root of "evil" is the drive for self-preservation. It will be the greatest obstacle to any idea of "world peace."

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I sure don't believe any "devil" is more powerful than God.
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I sure don't believe any "devil" is more powerful than God.
As described by the iron horse, you are correct. Lucifer was a created being who is limited in power (cannot be everywhere at once, cannot know what you are thinking, etc.)
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The root of "evil" is the drive for self-preservation. It will be the greatest obstacle to any idea of "world peace."

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Should that be the case, where did we get the notion that a selfish action is wrong?

Or from another perspective, why do we 'feel' that it is right to help someone in a lesser situation that we are in?
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Should that be the case, where did we get the notion that a selfish action is wrong?

Or from another perspective, why do we 'feel' that it is right to help someone in a lesser situation that we are in?
"Self-preservation" just is what it is. It has been an integral part of nature for billions of years, but now that modern civilization has conquered nature, you have to wonder whether, for the first time in billions of years, that "self-preservation" has become a negative trait, instead of a positive.

Undoubtedly, prejudice is a result of "tribal behavior"; behavior that is even observed amongst animal species, so we're talking about behavior older than humanity itself. But now we're trying to transcend tribal society and create global multinational societies. This is where our old habits are running into trouble, and I admit that there's no easy solutions. I just find that blaming a demon or other deity for all the world's ills is the equivalent of "passing the buck" and, likewise, absolving ourselves of the responsibility of doing something about it.

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I just find that blaming a demon or other deity for all the world's ills is the equivalent of "passing the buck" and, likewise, absolving ourselves of the responsibility of doing something about it.
Yep.
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I just find that blaming a demon or other deity for all the world's ills is the equivalent of "passing the buck" and, likewise, absolving ourselves of the responsibility of doing something about it.
There is no passing the buck element in this theology. The iron horse is pointing to the beginning of evil, not that every bad act is the result of the Devil or a demon.
By the same standard, we cannot blame God for our act either.

The basic premise (at least in Christianity) is that evil is our problem, a problem for which we need a solution.
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I believe that there is a force of evil, a Devil, if you will. There is a force for good, call it God. I can't prove my religious beliefs, one of my favorite philosophers is Soren Kierkeggaard, who talked about the leap of faith one makes if one is Christian. Forget about trying to prove them true. You can't.
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The root of "evil" is the drive for self-preservation. It will be the greatest obstacle to any idea of "world peace."

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I think you're onto something Melon. I'd throw certain forms of organized religion in there, lately. Furthermore, I also think a lot of evil stems from fear of the other--whether it's connected to race, religion, or economic status.

I have my doubts about a real devil, though I believe in a real God. I think what's needed is an army of empathy, kindness, and compassion to combat the devil we're inflicting on ourselves.
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