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Old 07-12-2006, 05:05 PM   #1
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the drugs DO work

at least magic mushrooms seem to:



[q]Mushroom drug produces mystical experience
Updated 7/11/2006 1:03 PM

By Malcolm Ritter, Ap Science Writer
NEW YORK — People who took an illegal drug made from mushrooms reported profound mystical experiences that led to behavior changes lasting for weeks — all part of an experiment that recalls the psychedelic '60s.

Many of the 36 volunteers rated their reaction to a single dose of the drug, called psilocybin, as one of the most meaningful or spiritually significant experiences of their lives. Some compared it to the birth of a child or the death of a parent.

Such comments "just seemed unbelievable," said Roland Griffiths of the Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine in Baltimore, the study's lead author.

But don't try this at home, he warned. "Absolutely don't."

Almost a third of the research participants found the drug experience frightening even in the very controlled setting. That suggests people experimenting with the illicit drug on their own could be harmed, Griffiths said.

Viewed by some as a landmark, the study is one of the few rigorous looks in the past 40 years at a hallucinogen's effects. The researchers suggest the drug someday may help drug addicts kick their habit or aid terminally ill patients struggling with anxiety and depression.

It may also provide a way to study what happens in the brain during intense spiritual experiences, the scientists said.

Funded in part by the federal government, the research was published online Tuesday by the journal Psychopharmacology.

Psilocybin has been used for centuries in religious practices, and its ability to produce a mystical experience is no surprise. But the new work demonstrates it more clearly than before, Griffiths said.

Even two months after taking the drug, pronounced SILL-oh-SY-bin, most of the volunteers said the experience had changed them in beneficial ways, such as making them more compassionate, loving, optimistic and patient. Family members and friends said they noticed a difference, too.

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is it possible that the useage of some drugs can affect mental states, and we can use those states for self-betterment and self-exploration? both the religious and the atheistic can probably attest to the capacity of the human mind to feel the oneness of things and the occasional ability to put aside selfish ego. mushrooms seem to demonstrate that there is a biological capacity for this sense of oneness. of course, an experience can just be an experience, but perhaps a drug experience -- like a religious experience, or any other kind of profoundly meaningful experience -- can become the basis of a more fulfilling and giving life. the drug, alone, is fairly irrelevant, but what is done with the drug is what matters, and ultimately, the drug should demonstrate it's own irrelevance, the drug tells us that we don't need the drug to have these experiences.

what's wrong with studying the pharmacology behind love and joy?
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Interesting.
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oh, and even though there was once a time where i was going to Amsterdam every weekend, i've never tried mushrooms. don't know that i ever would.

but i think it's interesting.
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I remember reading similar articles about LSD and Mescaline.

Very intriguing thread Irvine.

Have you ever seen the movie “Altered States?” Not a great movie, but it had a cool premise – similar to this experiment.
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No surprise here. It was experimental/recreational drug use in college that later helped me understand the different inner planes of consciousness discussed in various esoteric spiritual teachings. Certain drugs can open up these planes prematurely but one generally cannot sustain those levels with drugs.

There are also some excellent medicinal mushrooms for the immune system but they probably won't take you to the G-spot :
http://www.gardenoflife.com/detail_rm10.shtml
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Very interesting although a friend of mine from university did end up with a rather unfortunate paranoid psychosis after eating psilocybin-containing mushrooms so I wouldn't recommend it. He was pretty odd before though.

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Have you ever seen the movie “Altered States?” Not a great movie, but it had a cool premise – similar to this experiment.
I saw it years ago and it does deal with mental effects of drugs for about 40 minutes. Then it just becomes utterly silly.
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An instant feeling of love, joy and “oneness” through chemicals? Are we that out of touch with reality that we need (or want) to get to these states through artificial means? This is essentially suggesting that we need not learn love, joy or oneness if we can give ourselves the same feeling.
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An instant feeling of love, joy and “oneness” through chemicals? Are we that out of touch with reality that we need (or want) to get to these states through artificial means? This is essentially suggesting that we need not learn love, joy or oneness if we can give ourselves the same feeling.


i think what's being argued is that the sensation of "oneness" can be induced by drugs, but it is fleeting, and can be achieved through years of meditation and reflection that the average person probably doesn't have time for. it also says that drugs are sort of a parlor trick, a way to get a glimpse of the top of the mountain, but not a way to stay up there. but what the study also suggests is that even the glimpse of the top of the mountain -- perhaps, some might relate this to a sense that God, or Jesus, or Allah, has spoken to them directly and their lives are forever changed because they know, now, that they are not alone -- is enough to combat the loneliness and depression and sense of isolation that so many succumb to. chemicals are not the solution, but they might give us a glimpse at the answer.

once again, many paths. simply because religion and drugs have much in common doesn't mean that religion is a drug, or that drugs are a religion, but that they are different paths towards getting to that place where we can find the face we had before the world was made.
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An instant feeling of love, joy and “oneness” through chemicals? Are we that out of touch with reality that we need (or want) to get to these states through artificial means? This is essentially suggesting that we need not learn love, joy or oneness if we can give ourselves the same feeling.
our common ground

i agree.
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Where would Rock n Roll be without hallucinogenic drugs? Well, actually, just turn on the radio. Man does it suck!

RIP Syd Barrett.
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our common ground

i agree.
I know. If you want it to be even more odd, add me to the list of agreement.

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I know. If you want it to be even more odd, add me to the list of agreement.

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Even two months after taking the drug, pronounced SILL-oh-SY-bin, most of the volunteers said the experience had changed them in beneficial ways, such as making them more compassionate, loving, optimistic and patient. Family members and friends said they noticed a difference, too.
I don't see how this could be considered a bad thing, no matter how it was achieved. It seems to me this drug is a tool and can be used in both good and bad ways, just like any other tool. And just like any other drug (legal or not) and most foods, there are people who will have bad reactions to it. But I don't think it should be dismissed out of hand simply because it is perceived as "cheating" somehow.

If you can get the changes mentioned without this drug, good for you. And if you can get the changes with the drug, good for you too.
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Drugs are awesome man! We should all take hard drugs and make our lives better!
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An instant feeling of love, joy and “oneness” through chemicals? Are we that out of touch with reality that we need (or want) to get to these states through artificial means? This is essentially suggesting that we need not learn love, joy or oneness if we can give ourselves the same feeling.
I don't think that it suggests that but rather that an otherworldly drug experience could inspire some people to subsequently seek love, joy and oneness through meaningful interaction with the people in their lives. That sound like a pretty good thing.
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