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Old 04-26-2003, 03:40 PM   #1
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The Death Penalty

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The death penalty is the ultimate cruel, inhuman and degrading punishment

It violates the right to life

It is irrevocable and can be inflicted on the innocent. It has never been shown to deter crime more effectively than other punishments

More than three countries a year on average have abolished the death penalty for all crimes in the past decade. Once abolished, the death penalty is seldom reintroduced. Since 1990, more than 35 countries have abolished the death penalty in law or, having previously abolished it for ordinary crimes, have gone on to abolish it for all crimes.

By April 2003, 76 countries and territories had abolished the death penalty for all crimes. A further 15 countries had abolished it for all but exceptional crimes such as wartime crimes. Twenty-one countries were abolitionist in practice: ie had not carried out any executions for the past 10 years and are believed to have a policy or established practice of not carrying out executions. At present there are 112 countries which are abolitionist in law or practice and 83 countries which retain and use the death penalty.

In 2002 at least 1,526 people were executed in 31 countries. At least 3,248 people were sentenced to death in 67 countries. These figures include only cases known to Amnesty International; the true figures were certainly higher. The vast majority of executions worldwide are carried out in a tiny handful of countries. In 2002, 81 percent of all known executions took place in China, Iran and the USA.

In China, limited and incomplete records available to Amnesty International indicated that at least 1,060 people were executed, although the true number was believed to be much higher. At least 113 executions were carried out in Iran. Seventy-one people were executed in the USA.
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To me death penalty by a government is the inhumane, imagine what you would think about a criminal who would arest you in a cell and tell you that he will kill you - the date of murdering will always be moved to the future, you are allowed to write him letters and ask for mercy...
While you can't compare these situations directly you can compare what you do to the ones who are sentenced to death - and there are allways some percent of innocent people. There also is allways a chance of (political) abuse even in advanced civilizations like the US (remember Nicola Sacco Bartolomeo Vanzetti)

i'd be curious if there are any pro-death penalty people here.

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Old 04-26-2003, 05:03 PM   #2
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Sure I'm pro-death penalty, Anti-abortion. Is that a paradox? Hypocritical? I don't think so, but if I dug deep enough I could make that case. I'm wondering if anyone is pro-DP/pro-abortion or anti-DP/anti-abortion. I've never known one, at least that would seem like less of a paradox.

I have the standpoint that if our society is based on freedom, and the restriction of said freedom. If you kill someone I see that you have violated their freedom and your own freedom is no longer valid. If that leads to a death penalty I'm not opposed to it in theory. Each case is different but the main argument is still about the basic murderer gets executed type of case. (Not killing in self-defense/of pulling the switch/sticking the needle in the inmate/war etc) Aren't those killing as well? It seems to me that they initiated the process that ultimately resulted in their punishment so I don't have much sympathy for them.

And an unknown number of people have been falsely executed yes...but at the same time people have been falsely imprisoned. So should we just not punish anyone for crime so that we don't risk punishing 'innocent' people? That leads down a road of it's own.

Is it even our place to judge? Who am I to play God? Well I have to make judgements based on the principles that I guide my life with. If we as a society our not willing to make judgements then we have failed.

I've always been curious as to why it is such a big issue, there are so many other human rights violations on a larger scale to innocent people that the few hundred hardened criminals that are executed in the US per year seem like a strange choice to be so up in arms about.

And one last thing: the US is not that advanced.
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John Paul II and many of his devout followers.
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I'm anti-dp and anti-abortion
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And an unknown number of people have been falsely executed yes...but at the same time people have been falsely imprisoned. So should we just not punish anyone for crime so that we don't risk punishing 'innocent' people? That leads down a road of it's own.
The big difference is, a wrongly imprisoned man may still be let out of the prison; a wrongly executed man is beyond saving.
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Old 04-27-2003, 07:12 AM   #6
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I'm anti death penalty and anti abortion.
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Saracene is absolutely right!

I also think that governments should be a good example for their citizens and show that killing someone isn't a solution.

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i'm anti-death penalty and anti-abortion.
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At the risk of making the thread sound monotonous, I'm anti-death penalty and anti-abortion.

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Add me to the monotony...lol.

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The big difference is, a wrongly imprisoned man may still be let out of the prison; a wrongly executed man is beyond saving.
Exactly.

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I also think that governments should be a good example for their citizens and show that killing someone isn't a solution.

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Once again, exactly.

Adults preach to kids that killing is wrong, we shouldn't be violent and all that...then they turn around and kill, or support killing.

I'm anti-death penalty and pro-abortion...but then again, I don't consider abortion murder.

But that's a whole other topic.

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I'm anti-death penalty and pro-CHOICE. Different from pro-abortion.
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i'm anti-death penalty and anti-abortion.
same here!!
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Old 04-27-2003, 11:02 PM   #14
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I think everyone is anti-abortion. Nobody likes the thought of abortion. I am pro-choice, yes, but also anti-abortion in that I believe abortions should be made much rarer.

Oh yeah, and anti-death-penalty too.
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Sorry, pax, but if you think abortion should be legal, you may not technically be "pro-abortion", but you're certainly not "anti-abortion".
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