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This is yet another case that illustrates the dangers of online chatting. While the Internet is useful for many things, including connecting people that would otherwise never have met, this story illustrates the ease with which people can get sucked into this alternate reality.




Web of cyber lies leads to murder,police say



BUFFALO, New York (AP) -- He was an 18-year-old Marine headed to war.

She was an attractive young woman sending him off with pictures and lingerie.

Or so each one thought.

In reality, they were two middle-aged people carrying on an Internet fantasy based on seemingly harmless lies.

When a truthful 22-year-old was drawn in, authorities say, their cyber escape turned deadly.

"When you're on the Internet talking, you haven't got a clue who that is on the other end," Erie County Sheriff's Lt. Ron Kenyon said. "You don't have a clue."

When Brian Barrett was shot to death on September 15 outside the factory where he worked to help pay for college, investigators and his family were stumped.

Barrett, 22, was an aspiring industrial arts teacher, an accomplished high school athlete who had coached Little League all summer and helped his father coach soccer. Those who knew the Buffalo State College student described him as quiet and unassuming.

He had clearly been targeted. Barrett was shot three times at close range in the neck and left arm after climbing into his truck about 10 p.m. at the end of a shift at Dynabrade Corp. in Clarence, 20 miles outside of Buffalo. His body was found two days later when a co-worker spotted his pickup in an isolated part of the company parking lot.

"He was just a nice kid, a gentleman," said Starpoint High School Athletic Director Tom Sarkovics, who was Barrett's baseball coach for two years. "I don't think anybody could say a bad thing about him."

On November 27, Barrett's 47-year-old co-worker and friend, Thomas Montgomery, was charged with Barrett's murder. The motive, investigators said, was jealousy over Barrett's budding Internet relationship with the same 18-year-old woman Montgomery had been wooing since the previous year.

What neither man knew was that the woman was really a 40-something West Virginia mother using her daughter's identity to attract Internet suitors.

Cyberspace, it appeared, was enough for her, and it was a near certainty she would never have met either man.

"The game would have been over at that point and time for sure," Kenyon said.

When Montgomery began chatting with the woman in 2005, the former Marine portrayed himself as perhaps a previous version of himself -- a young Marine preparing for deployment to Iraq, Assistant District Attorney Ken Case said.

For a time, they communicated strictly through chat rooms and e-mail.

Then the woman began sending gifts to Montgomery's home, Case said. Pictures of the woman's daughter, lingerie and a set of custom-made dog tags arrived at the pale yellow suburban house that Montgomery shared with his wife and two teenage children.

Montgomery's wife intercepted one of the packages, Case said. She wrote back to the woman at the return address, and included a family portrait to make her point.

"As you can see, Tom's not 18," Case said she wrote. "He's married and he's a father of two. He's 47 and I'm his wife." And, believing she was writing to an 18-year-old: "You've obviously been fooled."

The West Virginia woman -- whom authorities will not identify -- remembered a friend named Brian that Montgomery had mentioned. She recalled enough of his computer screen name to contact Barrett to ask him about what Montgomery's wife had told her.

Soon Barrett was in regular contact with the woman. Despite knowing the truth about Montgomery, the woman remained in contact with him as well, Case said.

The woman made no secret of the fact she was chatting with Barrett, Case said, and Barrett talked about the relationship at work. Montgomery, authorities say, became jealous.

Sheriff's investigators believe Barrett's killer wore camouflage and a ski mask when he approached Barrett in the parking lot with a .30-caliber rifle and fired at close range.

Montgomery is being held without bail after pleading not guilty to second-degree murder. Tall and with thinning hair, glasses and a mustache, he said nothing at a procedural court appearance on January 10.

He is due back in court in June.

His wife, whom authorities have not named, has begun divorce proceedings, Case said. She did not respond to a message left at Montgomery's home in suburban Cheektowaga or answer a reporter's knock there.

Internet crime expert J.A. Hitchcock, author of "Net Crimes & Misdemeanors," said the case illustrates the dangers that lurk on the web.

"I'm hoping that this case will make people think twice about what they do online and what their actions can cause in the long run," she said.
 
I remember a story i heard last year where these 2 guys exchanged vicious comments to each other over the net. One day one of these guys turned up at the other guys house with a baseball bat and did him in.

These were middle aged men too.
 
:hmm: Maybe you just have to watch out for middle aged men. :ohmy:

I do know a few guys who were stalked by a woman they met online on a band board and chatroom. All three did meet her (at various times over a few years) and two went out with her a couple of times but soon broke it off. One poor guy just met her for what he considered a friendly lunch, but she considered it much much more. Well, they considered it over -- she didn't. And that's when the abuse really took off. She made harassing phone calls to them at home and work, she threatened one of the guy's new girlfriend (later wife), she spread ugly rumours about her targets on the board, and she did some other very creepy stuff. The one guy and his girlfriend (and then wife) actually had to move because she was so aggressive.

She also decided she had a very special connection with the singer of the band and although I never got all the details she was scary enough that everyone traveling with the band was under orders to keep and eye out for her and to make sure she got nowhere near him. This has gone on at least during the last two and possibly three US tours.

I've actually chatted with her online and there are many times she seems perfectly normal and even very charming, so I can see where these guys would fall for her or at least think of her as someone who could be a friend. There were also a few conversations that I did realise that she was definitely off. Of course by then I was aware of her history so I was more attuned to anything not quite right -- plus I'm female so I'm not really one of her targets so she didn't really try to snare me.
 
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You mean a hot 18 year old chick sending out naughty pics of herself on the internet turned out to be a fake? Shocking!!

Next thing you know they'll tell us phone sex operators aren't as hot as they make themself out to be :(

If you're trolling the internet for this kind of thing, you're setting yourself up to be duped.
 
Chizip -

Your post drips of pain...the pain of a jilted Internet love.

Is there something you want to tell us?

hopefully he doesn't show up at my work with a shotgun

:wink:
 
is that some figures showing that is more probable that these things happen with someone you met online?
I am not sure..
I mean, you can meet a crazy person even if you go around and have a normal meeting with someone!
 
^ Exactly. The shooter was obviously a bit unhinged, blaming the internet & chatting is sort of a cop-out.
 
lady luck said:
is that some figures showing that is more probable that these things happen with someone you met online?
I am not sure..
I mean, you can meet a crazy person even if you go around and have a normal meeting with someone!


Agreed. Crazy people can be found anywhere and everywhere. Still, the relative anonymity that the Internet provides can be attractive for people. For many, such as was the case in the article, people get sucked into this fantasy world and it sometimes changes relatively well-adjusted individuals into something they're not. Trust is built between two people on false pretenses which you would not be able to do when you meet someone under so-called "normal" circumstances.

I don't know if that makes sense or not.
 
dazzlingamy said:
It's just charming that this woman sent pictures of her DAUGHTER to the guy - great mum skills there.

No kidding! What kind of mother sends pictures of her teenage daughter to someone (who could obviously be anyone) on the internet?!:huh:
 
MySpace to distribute Amber alerts

LOS ANGELES, California (AP) -- The social-networking Web site MySpace.com will now distribute online alerts to members notifying them of missing children in their communities.

MySpace, a News Corp. unit, is teaming with the National Center for Missing & Exploited Children to distribute so-called Amber alerts, which are triggered by law-enforcement officials.

The online alerts, which will begin Tuesday, will be sent to all users in the ZIP codes where it was issued.

They will appear in a small text box at the top of a user's portfolio. The user can click on the box for more information, including a photo of the missing child and a description of the suspect.

The alerts were named for Amber Hagerman, a 9-year-old girl killed in Texas in 1996.

MySpace also announced two safety features designed to protect members' privacy.

The site will now require people signing up for an account to provide a working e-mail address and verify their identity by responding to an e-mail sent to the listed address.

This is a practice common with other online services, but MySpace has been hesitant thus far because of fears the confirmation messages might end up mistakenly in spam filters.

The site, open only to those 14 and over, will also offer a tool to prevent any member under age 18 from being contacted by adults, and vice versa. The tool, however, is optional and relies on self-reported ages.

MySpace recently said it was developing software that will allow parents to learn of their child's use of MySpace and be notified of usernames, ages and locations they use in their personal profile pages.
 
ze plot, it thickenz!

blueeyedgirl said:
<-------- Blue eyed, and a girl.

Or am I???? :sexywink:

you send your ex's in pieces to other state capitals, dont you????!

...they say adelaide is the serial killer capital of australia. :hmm: goes well with the city of churches label.

...or does it????

:ohmy:
 
Re: ze plot, it thickenz!

Angela Harlem said:


...they say adelaide is the serial killer capital of australia. :hmm: goes well with the city of churches label.


:lol:

My favorite Australian city is Melbourne.
Adelaide was not that interesting in my eyes. Still, I would giv everything for living there as long as it's Australia :)
 
Re: ze plot, it thickenz!

Angela Harlem said:


you send your ex's in pieces to other state capitals, dont you????!

...they say adelaide is the serial killer capital of australia. :hmm: goes well with the city of churches label.

...or does it????

:ohmy:
:shifty:
 
A sad state of affairs.

Another reason why the world would be a better place if the internet was never invented.

That said, what was wrong with the pre-2000 act of simply meeting someone decent at a club or a bar or a party or through a friend of a friend or whatever?

What is the point in meeting up with someone over the internet, when you can NEVER honestly prove that they are who they claim to be?

Pointless, I tells ya!

Keep it real, things can very rarely be what they seem in "cyberspace"
 
I can assure you guys that I look just like my avatar, although I have been lying about my name for years, really my name is Phedra923098u.
 
Re: Re: ze plot, it thickenz!

Vincent Vega said:

Adelaide was not that interesting in my eyes. Still, I would giv everything for living there as long as it's Australia :)

Two cool things about Adelaide:

(1) You can grow weed legally there.

(2) The Hilltop Hoods

I can't think of anything else, sorry.
 
Re: Re: Re: ze plot, it thickenz!

Calluna said:


Two cool things about Adelaide:

(1) You can grow weed legally there.

(2) The Hilltop Hoods

I can't think of anything else, sorry.

What's a Hilltop Hood?

Depending on the answer, Adelaide could be the greatest place on earth, or just really close.
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hilltop_Hoods

Hm, I could grow weed in Germany, legally, as well. There are just some restrictions.
Or I just go to Switzerland or Amsterdam :)
But I don't smoke, so I still prefer Melbourne.
I don't like Hip Hop as well, so I would stay with Melbourne :)

I like Kangaroo Island and Hahndorf, that pretends to be so German, but rather is influenced by the Bavarian picture people have outside Germany. :)
 
i think i've talked to more crazy people in person than i have online. online is great because you have that distance, the away message, and the esc button. doesn't quite work in person. for a whole year i kept slamming the walls, and furniture, searching desperately for a mute or esc button for my roommate...or even n ALT and F4. but to no avail. and she was a nut.
 
Adelaide's got WOMAD and some churches...must not forget them.

...and they did have the Superjesus.

Either way, I'd rather be in Adelaide than Sydney.
 
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