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Old 09-04-2004, 10:44 PM   #61
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Not many people have the guts to strap a suicide belt on and willingly blow themselves up.
Oh, what bravery. They are complete COWARDS because they would NEVER face an equally armed foe.
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They are cowards because they do not choose methods that will realistically bring them victory.

If you are truly brave and believe in your cause, you'd go after the Kremlin. You'd go after Putin. You wouldn't attack a school on the outskirts of Russia. It won't further your cause. It will only ensure more bombs are dropped on the poor innocents of *your* country.

Terrorists are cowards. To me, there's no longer any truth in the saying "One man's revolutionary is another man's terrorist." There are revolutionaries (Michael Collins, Che Guvara) and there are terrorists. Revolutionaries kill soldiers. I can admit they are brave. Terrorists kill civilians. There's no honor or glory in that.
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AvsGirl, the other way it goes is "one man's terrorist is another mans freedom fighty", but this leads to the great punchline - Firefighter's fight Fire, Crime Fighters fight Crime, what do you think Freedom Fighters Fight?
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The founding of the USA would be described in todays media as Terrorism against the British Crown

Anyway, also there is no clear boarder between Freedom Fighters and Terrorists, it's clear that people who commit crimes against children are Terrorists.
Also i have a lot of critizism for the Russian behaviour in this situation (banning their media etc) i can't think of anything that would justify such a behaviour.

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The German government has offered victims of the hostage crisis in southern Russian Beslan €100,000 in humanitarian aid. The Russian government had requested the aid, a German government spokeswoman said Sunday in Berlin, Reuters reported. German Red Cross was expected to deliver medical equipment and medicine to the region. More than 300 people were killed and 700 wounded after pro-Chechnyan militants held around 1,200 children and adults hostage in the town.
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The Revolutionary War was not fought using terrorist tacticts. There is a significant difference between guerilla warfare and terrorism, principlally the targeting of innocent people. I do not recall minutemen murdering every pro-British family or blowing up innocent people randomly. Same here, I would say that a Chechen fighter who is fighting in Chechnya is a fighter, but if they then go over to Russia and blow a plane out of the sky or massacre innocent kids they are terrorists. Terrorists use violence to achieve political ends and as a means of propaganda.

Banning media is a very good way to prevent terrorism - as amoral as such an action is - because it removes the propaganda element. Without being broadcast around the world this atrocity would not be able to gain any sympathy for the Chechen cause, which it is doing, people are already talking about understanding the "root causes" of terrorism and giving the Chechens a free state (again) to run the way that they want because that will end terror. Its the same treatment Israel gets, blame the terrorists and not the victims.
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The Revolutionary War was not fought using terrorist tacticts.
No but sneaking up on the Hessians early on Christmas morning was kind of rotten
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LOL on the sneakiness factor -

I was just reading the paper Opinion pages and came across this article by the brilliant Mark Steyn. I think that it says a lot about how the media rationalizes terror and just so you will read it it says, and I quote "The Painful Truth: All The World's Terrorists Are Muslims!". There is a proper context for that quote that is not just taking a broad stab at Muslims so now go read it.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au...5E7583,00.html
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I hate to have to bring this up but I feel that it is important. Some al-Muhajiroun - the word I am thinking of rhymes with punt - is advocating the hostage taking of Women and Children in the UK as long as the "activist" or "hostage taker" has a just cause against the British Government. I cannot understand who lets people like this into a country like the UK. Terrorist enablers like this are an insult to every level headed moderate Muslim, and yet the sound of condemnation is deafeningly silent.

May he find himself in a life threatening situation that involves womens footwear.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...5/wosse705.xml
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LOL on the sneakiness factor -

I was just reading the paper Opinion pages and came across this article by the brilliant Mark Steyn. I think that it says a lot about how the media rationalizes terror and just so you will read it it says, and I quote "The Painful Truth: All The World's Terrorists Are Muslims!". There is a proper context for that quote that is not just taking a broad stab at Muslims so now go read it.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au...5E7583,00.html
Thanks for posting that.
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I'm going to have to rethink how I approach the first days of school. A few of my students have family in that area.
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Also i have a lot of critizism for the Russian behaviour in this situation (banning their media etc) i can't think of anything that would justify such a behaviour.
Yeah, it's disappointing and not altogether surprising given the way Putin was taking Russia.

I'm disgusted he is using the tragedy to implement more state control.
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sorry, i didn't write it propper.
"i can't think of anything that would justify such a behaviour." was directed to the Terrorists.
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Detaining TERRORISTS is really a bad idea.

Because they lead to

- killing of 500 people - more than half of them innocent children ( type beslan in google)

- hijack of aircraft ( eg IC814 )

& Many such incidents.. Terrorist should be liquidated as soon as possible if we want to protect our innocent children.
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Or at least say they are dead before you get to interrogate them.
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Besides the anger about the terrorists i expressed above i really get mad about putin again.

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France's Prime Minister Jean-Pierre Raffarin, while expressing solidarity with Russia, said he wanted all the necessary information about what had happened.

He echoed comments made by Dutch Foreign Minister Bernard Bot a couple of days ago, which prompted a furious reaction from Moscow.
But putin only plays it down and rejects independent or public investigation.

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The Russian authorities said there were 10 Arabs among the hostage-takers, although not a single Arab body has been produced.
Does Putin have something to hide or does he simply want to abuse that tragedy for political purposes?

Here you can read some heartbreaking reports from eyewhitnesses:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/mid...st/3619012.stm
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