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Old 01-24-2006, 02:49 PM   #91
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Yes, because they're all rich, spoiled white Christian males with opportunity handed to them on a silver platter, family connections in politics and tons of money they didn't earn to throw around.

If that's not the least constructive post on this thread I don't know what is.
Well said. The whole "If you think you can run Country Y better than Person X, then go do it" argument is so old and tired.
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Old 01-24-2006, 02:52 PM   #92
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love the new avatar, GG.

well, perhaps love isn't quite the right word.
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So does that mean you dismiss the implications of its findings as propoganda? Whatever.
Considering that they have a clear agenda, skew stats, and paint their findings in absolutely the worst light possible in order to create fear and paranoia to further their cause? Then yeah, dismissing them is exactly what I do. Unapologetically so.
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So does that mean you dismiss the implications of its findings as propoganda? Whatever.
(that is short hand for "I don't want to discuss the issue")
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Well said. The whole "If you think you can run Country Y better than Person X, then go do it" argument is so old and tired.
Well so is "Oh shit another conservative running the country now. Fucking shit, bitch, fuck, I "Hate" conservatives cause they ruin everything and Liberal Democrates are better and know how to run things and never cause problems."
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(that is short hand for "I don't want to discuss the issue")
I think it's actually short for "she didn't think I would know the background/agenda of the Frasier Institute."
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Well so is "Oh shit another conservative running the country now. Fucking shit, bitch, fuck, I "Hate" conservatives cause they ruin everything and Liberal Democrates are better and know how to run things and never cause problems."
Interestingly enough, I never said that once in this thread.
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Interestingly enough, I never said that once in this thread.
Please do not get in the way of Justin's strawman argument.
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I am not saying you did, but the first few post people were roasting the original threader of this topic, for saying how finally after 13 years there is a conservative government.
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I think it's actually short for "she didn't think I would know the background/agenda of the Frasier Institute."
That's rather presumptuous. As is your assertion that people aren't dying on waiting lists because you don't see them.

I'm not supportive of a completely private system or even a 2-tiered system per se. But we're fooling ourselves if we think we have a fully-functioning public one right now. Plenty of services are already private and the provinces are off-loading more all the time.

And how are we going to afford what we have now going forward?
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Well so is "Oh shit another conservative running the country now. Fucking shit, bitch, fuck, I "Hate" conservatives cause they ruin everything and Liberal Democrates are better and know how to run things and never cause problems."
unless you have an INFORMED opinion, maybe you'd do well to keep your thoughts to yourself.

because you're really embarassing yourself here.

taking a few posts out of context and then shooting your mouth off hardly contributes to the discussion. you openly admitted that you have no idea what we're even talking about.

i find it amazing that you complain about being belittled when you give people more than enough ammunition to do so.
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That's rather presumptuous. As is your assertion that people aren't dying on waiting lists because you don't see them.

I'm not supportive of a completely private system or even a 2-tiered system per se. But we're fooling ourselves if we think we have a fully-functioning public one right now. Plenty of services are already private and the provinces are off-loading more all the time.

And how are we going to afford what we have now going forward?
1) Presumptuous? Note the wink.

2) I didn't say it's not happening. I said that I don't believe it's happening to the degree that some of the media and fear-mongers would have us believe. I also said that in my experience, the system is working, for the most part. Note the "my experience" part of that statement. I find it hard to believe (and yes, this is a judgement call) that my experiences have been unique.

3) I also stated in an earlier post that the system certainly isn't perfect, and could use some fixing. However, I don't believe it's at a critical state where it needs to be dismantled and privatized, or turned into a two-tier system that will benefit the well-off. Further, some biased sources, like the Frasier Institute, would have us believe that it IS at a critical state, in order to further their agenda, which is clearly privatization.

4) Do I have all the answers? Hardly. But then again, neither do those who have studied the issue full time for years.

If the Liberals had stayed in power, with their throwing money around all willy-nilly, perhaps I could have applied for a government grant to study the issue full time. Then I could have come up with more definitive answers.
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dear Justin24,

please read more and post less.

thanks,

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well, maybe you should take your own advice, and leave this discussion to people who might be a bit more knowledgable about the topic.


it doesn't matter if you don't have lots of knowlege just as long as you can get really angry about the few things you do know.
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it doesn't matter if you don't have lots of knowlege just as long as you can get really angry about the few things you do know.
Or about the results of an election...
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