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Old 01-26-2006, 10:08 AM   #136
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a toast to the new Canada.

perhaps now to be considered the 51st state of the union, and at last severing her ties from the Queen's apron strings.

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Can Trudeau's ghost run for the Liberal leadership?

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a toast to the new Canada.

perhaps now to be considered the 51st state of the union, and at last severing her ties from the Queen's apron strings.

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^ like the drunk uncle at the family reunion that you have to apologize for ...
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Old 01-26-2006, 12:53 PM   #139
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It'll be interesting to see what happens in the first year to 18 months. Look for Harper to stick to trying to get his fiscal agenda/promises going. Cut the GST, cut income tax, get into talks with provinces over the supposed fiscal imbalance, reform accountability. A middle-of-the-road appraoch to gain Canadians' confidence, show them they're working.

I think they'll wait until they get a majority before they start moving onto the major parts of their social agenda...e.g. gay marriage. I wonder if they'll stall the gay marriage issue for a few years..."study" it through made-up Parliamentary committees and whatnot, or whether wanker, i mean Harper, will force a free vote as soon as he can.
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i think he'll toe the line for the first bit as well. they, meaning all of the parties, have to at least make a reasonable effort to keep this dysfunctional family together for at least a year or so to avoid outraging the public with yet another election. the smart thing for him to do would be to stick to the five issues he put forward in his campaign, and leave his controversial social agenda on the backburner. preferably forever.

in the meantime, the liberals will be regrouping under a new leader, so when the government inevitably falls, they'll hopefully be able to rise above the corruption scandals and in-party divisiveness.

who knows, it could be same sex marriage that brings this government down.

it's going to be an interesting next couple of years, that's for sure.
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That's my worst fear - that he and his party will be relatively well behaved for the next year or so, lulling Canadians into a false sense of security, then winning a majority next time, enabling him to push his social and moral agenda.
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It'll be interesting to see what happens in the first year to 18 months. Look for Harper to stick to trying to get his fiscal agenda/promises going. Cut the GST, cut income tax, get into talks with provinces over the supposed fiscal imbalance, reform accountability. A middle-of-the-road appraoch to gain Canadians' confidence, show them they're working.

I think they'll wait until they get a majority before they start moving onto the major parts of their social agenda...e.g. gay marriage. I wonder if they'll stall the gay marriage issue for a few years..."study" it through made-up Parliamentary committees and whatnot, or whether wanker, i mean Harper, will force a free vote as soon as he can.
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^ like the drunk uncle at the family reunion that you have to apologize for ...
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Old 01-27-2006, 01:11 AM   #144
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well, it's only fair to give harper his due when it's deserved.

he promptly told the american ambassador to screw off today, which impressed me.

while i don't necessarily agree with the arctic initiative, i don't necessarily disagree with it either - and regardless, any time our leaders stand up to the americans, i can't help but feel good.
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yeah, but he's already starting blabbing again about the same sex marriage "debate," saying he's going to push it into the agenda sooner rather than later.



i think the liberals need to make getting a new leader a priority.
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he promptly told the american ambassador to screw off today, which impressed me.
For about 25 seconds it impressed me too.

Perhaps I'm too cynical, but it strikes me as a deliberate little stunt played by both sides to make Harper look good.

When Harper tells them to screw off on an issue that actually matters to Canadians, then I'll give him his due.
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^ Indeed, I agree
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and so it begins...
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Published: Friday, January 27, 2006

Premier Ralph Klein says he had a brief phone conversation with prime minister-designate Stephen Harper on Thursday morning and promised to "keep the lines of communication open" as Alberta moves forward on its controversial health-care reform plan.

But Klein later told reporters "it remains to be seen as to how fortuitous we might or might not be" with a Conservative government in Ottawa.

Klein said "third way" health-care polices were passed unanimously by his caucus Thursday and some of the government's planned actions "may" violate the Canada Health Act.

Behind closed doors, Conservative MLAs were presented with a nine-point plan for reforming Alberta's health-care system. Among other aspects, the plan would allow doctors to practise in both the public and private health-care systems. Klein said the scheme would also allow people to pay out-of-pocket or with insurance for "non-emergency" procedures.

What services this would apply to still remains unclear, but Klein gave one example, saying that a person suffering from hemorrhoids might be able to pay for quicker treatment.

"There may, may be violations (of the Canada Health Act), but we don't know yet, because there are all kinds of steps to go through. But hemorrhoids are uncomfortable," Klein said.

Klein said he believes the Canada Health Act, designed to help the federal government ensure that the provinces and territories meet certain requirements, such as free and universal access to insured health care, should be amended in the future -- "but that would cause a political firestorm, to say the least, in Ottawa."

Harper spoke about preserving the principles of the Canada Health Act during the campaign and promised that under his leadership there will be "no private, parallel system."

The premier said the province's laws will have to be amended to make way for the reforms.
way to stand up for canada, ralph.

'cause, y'know, hemorrhoids are uncomfortable.
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Klein had a muzzle on him during the past two months before the election but now it's over, King Ralph can let it all out.

I can't wait to see Harper's comments over the past 18 months thrown back in his face as he struggles with the Parliament. His policies are fairly staight forward, who doesn't want tax cuts or child care but the opposition will probably try to add stuff to the legislation which might cause the typical usual Parliamentary screaming and shouting. All in all, it will be business as usual. If the social agenda pops up, he's toast, the Conservative strategists aren't that stupid so it won't come up for a long time to come.
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If the social agenda pops up, he's toast, the Conservative strategists aren't that stupid so it won't come up for a long time to come.
Funny you say that...

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New Canadian PM To Move Quickly On Gay Marriage Repeal
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Posted: January 27, 2006 - 12:00 am ET

(Ottawa) Stephen Harper says he wants to move quickly as leader of a fractious new Parliament to reopen the same-sex marriage debate.

The makeup of the new House of Commons suggests the prime minister-designate knows there's a good chance such a motion will be rejected.

It would not be a total loss, however. In fact, an honorable defeat on equal marriage would satisfy obligations to Harper's most right-wing supporters while defusing a politically explosive issue.

Winning a vote to wade back through that political quagmire would lead the Conservatives straight into a legal morass, most experts say.

It would also be a costly and perhaps fruitless attempt to redefine marriage as the sole domain of one man, one woman - a fight that would only shine a spotlight on the party's most extreme social conservatives.

Still, Harper has promises to keep to the most traditional members of his team.

He has said he'll put a free-vote motion before Parliament on whether the heterosexual definition of matrimony should be restored.

"I would prefer to do it sooner rather than later - but not immediately,'' he told a news conference Thursday.

The Conservatives would then craft legislation to that effect should the motion pass in a sharply divided House of Commons.

There are 124 Tory MPs compared to 103 Liberals, 51 Bloc Quebecois, 29 New Democrats and one Independent. Any vote could be close.

But at least one Conservative insider who spoke on condition of anonymity said social moderates in the party would welcome the issue's demise.

"There would be a quiet hurrah.''

Sujit Choudhry, a law professor at University of Toronto, was one of 134 academics who signed an open letter challenging Harper's position that the traditional definition of marriage can be restored.

Parliament last summer passed a law allowing gay weddings across Canada after two years of intense debate.

More than 3,000 same-sex couples had already wed after courts in eight provinces and the Yukon cleared the way. Moreover, the highest provincial courts in Quebec, B.C. and Ontario ruled that an exclusively heterosexual definition of marriage violates equality rights.

Harper has stressed that existing gay marriages will be allowed to stand.

But Choudhry and a long list of other experts say new legislation would be a recipe for confusion and fresh legal action.

"It could be a mess,'' he said in an interview.

"I have to say, I think it's a little bit reckless.''

What would happen, Choudhry asked, if some provinces recognized a new law reversing same-sex marriage but others decided to await the outcome of inevitable constitutional challenges?

He also pointed out that the Department of Justice Act will oblige the new Conservative attorney general to assess all government bills for any clash with the Charter of Rights and Freedoms. Such inconsistencies are to be reported to the House "at the first convenient opportunity,'' it says.

Martha Jackman, a constitutional law professor at University of Ottawa, says the best outcome would be for a majority of MPs to "resoundingly reject'' any bid to reverse gay marriage.

"That would reflect an understanding on their parts that they're obliged to comply with the Constitution - and not just because they've gone back and back to the courts'' and lost.
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