the conservative case for same sex marriage

[the iron horse]

A child needs a mother and father.

A child needs a mother and and father who will demonstrate and teach life.

 

[deep]

apparently Harp's now believes in sanity over bigotry

Store reverses decision to hide Elton John magazine cover - CNN.com


Power in the darkness
Frightening lies from the other side
Power in the darkness
Stand up and fight for your rights
Freedom... we're talking bout your freedom

 

[BVS]

A child needs a mother and father.

A child needs a mother and and father who will demonstrate and teach life.

My father died when I was an infant, does that mean I didn't learn life?

 

[the iron horse]

My father died when I was an infant, does that mean I didn't learn life?

No, I was just stating what I think is the model for a marriage and raising a child.


Sorry about the lose of your father.

I realize that was tough.

 

[Moonlit_Angel]

Sorry to hear that, BVS .

apparently Harp's now believes in sanity over bigotry

Store reverses decision to hide Elton John magazine cover - CNN.com

Fantastic . And the fact that so far all the response to seeing the cover has been positive and that they got so many complaints about the thing over the magazine cover makes me even happier. Progress in action.

Angela

 

[PhilsFan]

A child needs a mother and father.

A child needs a mother and and father who will demonstrate and teach life.

Stop teaching.

 

[the iron horse]

Stop teaching.

What do you mean by that statement?

 

[PhilsFan]

I find it disturbing that someone so narrow minded is teaching. I've seen no indication that you employ critical thinking. I've seen no indication that you're willing to recognize the progressive nature of the family. The implication will be that any child without a mother and father is inherently disadvantaged. And that's just not true.

 

[the iron horse]

I find it disturbing that someone so narrow minded is teaching. I've seen no indication that you employ critical thinking. I've seen no indication that you're willing to recognize the progressive nature of the family. The implication will be that any child without a mother and father is inherently disadvantaged. And that's just not true.

"the progressive nature of the family."


Please post why the progressive nature of the family is better than a mom and dad.

 

[Pearl]

"the progressive nature of the family."


Please post why the progressive nature of the family is better than a mom and dad.

Your posts such as this make me wonder what will happen if one of your students comes from a home with a single mom or two moms or two dads. Are you going to be this callous and close minded towards them as you are in FYM?

 

[the iron horse]

Your posts such as tahis make me wonder what will happen if one of your students comes from a home with a single mom or two moms or two dads. Are you going to be this callous and close minded towards them as you are in FYM?

I guess I am so out of touch and ignorant.

I just believe in that stupid ideal that a family needs a mom and dad.

 

[Pearl]

I guess I am so out of touch and ignorant.

I just believe in that stupid ideal biblical of a family unit.

God gave you a brain and empathy. Use them.

 

[Moonlit_Angel]

I guess I am so out of touch and ignorant.

I just believe in that stupid ideal biblical of a family unit.

I'm all for a stable family unit, too. I think it's pretty obvious that society runs a hell of a lot better with those in place. I just don't think there needs to be a checklist of who all's "required" to be part OF that stable family unit.

Are you just pulling people's legs or something? 'Cause if you're not, that worries me.

Angela

 

[Diemen]

"the progressive nature of the family."

Please post why the progressive nature of the family is better than a mom and dad.

Please post why two moms or two dads are inherently inferior to a mom and dad.

Look, it's one thing to state a position and stick by it, but if you're going to ask others to explain their position, you should be willing to explain yours in the same level of detail you're asking of your opponents.

 

[the iron horse]

Please post why two moms or two dads are inherently inferior to a mom and dad.

I will Diemen,

But it might take me awhile.

I have a lot former students to think about.

 

[PhilsFan]

"the progressive nature of the family."

Please post why the progressive nature of the family is better than a mom and dad.

I'm not saying it's better. I'm not saying it's worse. I'm saying neither is inherently better or worse and that it depends on the people involved. Do you disagree?

I guess I am so out of touch and ignorant.

I just believe in that stupid ideal that a family needs a mom and dad.

I know you're trying to play this off as a sarcastic "look at my being attacked for my beliefs" situation, but please understand: it really is stupid.

 

[melon]

Heh...how little changes in this thread over time.

 

[Irvine511]

actually, iron horse, studies show that kids do best with two lesbian mothers.

 

[Moonlit_Angel]

Heh, yeah, melon, we do seem to enjoy going in circles, don't we?

actually, iron horse, studies show that kids do best with two lesbian mothers.

Reading is fun .

Angela

 

[Kieran McConville]

How is this thread still going? How????

 

[Irvine511]

also, if it's so critical for a child to have a mother and a father (which, sure, it usually is) why don't you focus your efforts on helping heterosexuals be less fucked up in their relationships rather than kicking gay people?

seems like two gay people getting married has little to do with dysfunctional heterosexuals.

 

[kramwest1]

I mostly was raised by a single mother. My father was busy serving his 26 years in the U.S. Navy.

Now with DADT repealed, think of how many gay military families will be single parent homes, joining all of the straight military families.
Don't they know this isn't the American ideal? Aren't they patriotic?

A slight , but seriously, an ideal family? I have no fucking clue what that looks like.
Let's give children the best we can as a society (safety, education, food, a less toxic environment) and leave the family structure concerns to those that produce/raise the children.

 

[yolland]

also, if it's so critical for a child to have a mother and a father (which, sure, it usually is) why don't you focus your efforts on helping heterosexuals be less fucked up in their relationships rather than kicking gay people?

seems like two gay people getting married has little to do with dysfunctional heterosexuals.

I'm allowed to fall short of the ideal as miserably as I want because my relationships, by the nature of their composition, implicitly still aim for it. It's a way of rationalizing felt conflicts between claiming individual freedoms while professing allegiance to traditional ideals; I can tell myself I'm just a more enlightened traditionalist. But it ignores the principle that if the state must stay off my back where family affairs are concerned (short of gross abuse/neglect) in recognition of my basic rights, then they must do the same for you as well.

 

[nathan1977]

A quiet shift in GOP stance on gay marriage - Los Angeles Times

 

[singyourlife]

Odds are that baby boy is straight
most all straight males do not want gay men looking at their private parts
if you don't believe me, just take your own survey

who is looking out for that baby's rights??

Wow. Dare I even dignify this with a response? Are you seriously that ignorant and unintelligent to draw such ridiculous conclusions? Extremely worrying!

 

[singyourlife]

No, being homo is a choice and you know these two with their homo agenda will do everything to turn this child gay.

Another innocent soul lost

Same goes for this ludicrous statement! If there's a "homo agenda", how come gay individuals are the result of (and are often raised within) heterosexual relationships? And whichever idiot claimed that having both a Mother and a Father is imperative... although it might be ideal to have both your parents around, that isn't the case for many people, but they still turn out fine! Bono being a very famous example. Kids just need to be loved, regardless of their parent's gender.

 

[yolland]

Might want to check your irony detector. They were both being satirical.

 

[Canadiens1131]

Considering 'traditional family values' are not really working out looking at divorce rates, why not let two men, two women, or a woman and an octopus try and raise a child?

Alien and a gay bear?

actually, iron horse, studies show that kids do best with two lesbian mothers.

How will boys raised by two women be able to carry on traditional American values like "kickin' ass" and "stuffing sad feelings so far down inside so that the hurt stops"?

 

[singyourlife]

Might want to check your irony detector. They were both being satirical.

Lol oh, fair enough. Many people have views exactly like that, sadly, so I took their posts on face value. Apologies!

 

[kramwest1]

How will boys raised by two women be able to carry on traditional American values like "kickin' ass" and "stuffing sad feelings so far down inside so that the hurt stops"?