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Old 03-07-2010, 01:37 PM   #91
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I see what you're saying, but you still are 'married,' if you went to a church and had your marriage ceremony as well.

And those who still want to be married, but without a church service?
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Abortion is a good example. The country woke up one fine morning in 1973 to find ending the lives of human fetuses was now legal. No public debate, no vote, just POW.
Kind of like those poor white children who were comfortable in their segregated schools, and then POW. One fine morning in 1954 they woke up and they were forced to go to school with black children. No vote, but plenty of public debate. Just POW. And there were PLENTY of religious reasons to keep 'em separated, so don't go there.
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And those who still want to be married, but without a church service?
Then they can just call it marriage, its doing the same thing, so many people just get so upset over the word.
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Then they can just call it marriage, its doing the same thing, so many people just get so upset over the word.
Really? I hadn't noticed.

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Marriage is a religious ceremony. ..... I believe marriage should be taken out of laws and the governments hands. Instead of marriage, something similar to civil unions should be enacted that gives couples the same benefits of todays marriages. This would include same-sex couples. Then if they want, the unionized couple can go get married wherever it is they worship. I think this would allow a lot more people (including me) to reconcile with their religious beliefs while giving everyone the same rights.
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I see what you're saying, but you still are 'married,' if you went to a church and had your marriage ceremony as well.
So, you're trying to prevent gays and atheists from being able to marry?

I can't see any other purpose to this other than to discriminate.
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So, you're trying to prevent gays and atheists from being able to marry?
Nope. There's plenty of churchs today that perform marriages for same-sex couples. There's also a church for atheism.


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Right, thats my intention
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A church for atheism? How cool is that?

We are playing semantics so a few conservatives can sleep better.
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A church for atheism, WTF!
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A church for atheism, WTF!
Haha, I was thinking that too.

First Church of Atheism
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Reading the FAQ raises an important point
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The First Church of Atheism was born out of necessity. Created by Paul and Jacki McMaster, the FCA is the first society of its kind. Dedicated solely to ordaining atheists so that they too may perform ceremonies previously performed by religious men. When Paul and Jacki were wed, they hired a non-denominational minister to perform the ceremony. They requested that the ceremony be entirely faith neutral, as they were both devout atheists. To their dismay, the ceremony that the minister submitted for their approval was littered with references to, and direct statements about, god. They pulled out a red pen and started editing, paring down the ceremony into a 2 minute long affair.

For the next year, they would laugh about that story, telling their friends about the “non-denominational” minister who read them their vows in a Friar Tuck shirt, complete with collar. While funny, this also says something tragic about the state of our society when it comes to atheists. Non-denominational means generally Christian. For atheists, this is impossible to accept.

So the couple decided to form a society to provide others with what they did not get for their wedding.
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Well, "non-denominational" just means not a part of a Christian denomination. They really didn't think a minister would leave God out of it, did they? They could have gotten a judge to perform the ceremony.
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Here's a link of who can officiate at weddings in the various US states.

From this list it looks like all states except Alabama and Arizona have non-religious options. Some states allow the couple to "self-unite" and other states allow a friend or family member to become certified to officiate at a particular wedding.
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But don't all states have a courthouse option?
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But don't all states have a courthouse option?
Probably. But I assumed an atheistic couple would like to have similar options for their wedding a religious couple (or even a non-religious, but don't-care-who-does-the-officiating-because-they-aren't-going-to-pay-attention-anyway couple) would have. You know, such as having it in a nice park or being able to invite several family and friends to it. Most courthouse weddings are short, simple and small.
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