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Old 03-25-2011, 04:16 PM   #691
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(BTW--Anyone care to think what the health insurance situation was like for 2 gay men adopting a child with AIDS? I'm guessing that is just an HMO landmine field.)

generally speaking, most gay people -- especially gay men -- who adopt children are usually very, very together and they really, really want to be parents. to even get to the point where you are happy and secure enough, mentally and financially, as a gay couple where you want to adopt is quite an accomplishment given the world we live in, and especially the world as it was in 1990. and since it is still so difficult and expensive (especially for men), gay parents they tend to be older, better educated, wealthier, and it's likely that these two men had good lawyers, good doctors, and knew good people who could help them jump through whatever legal loopholes there might be. i'm sure they could easily afford private care for their child, which is probably why they sought out a sick child to begin with. no HMO's needed! i obviously don't know the Tims, but i'm willing to bet that they're as sophisticated and connected and prepared as you could reasonably expect.

so, for all of Iron Horse's banging on about mothers and fathers, if we look objectively, most gays and lesbians who choose to become parents are far more likely than your average straight person to have the characteristics of parents who have successful children. there are no accidental children, no unwanted children, and no unprepared parents when it comes to gay parents.

for people like Iron Horse to take something as complex as parenting and reduce it to the presence of one penis and one vagina, it shows us not only the breathtaking scope of his prejudice, but how little he thinks there is to being a parent at all if the only truly important qualifier is one penis and one vagina.
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Old 03-25-2011, 07:19 PM   #692
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generally speaking, most gay people -- especially gay men -- who adopt children are usually very, very together and they really, really want to be parents. to even get to the point where you are happy and secure enough, mentally and financially, as a gay couple where you want to adopt is quite an accomplishment given the world we live in, and especially the world as it was in 1990. and since it is still so difficult and expensive (especially for men), gay parents they tend to be older, better educated, wealthier, and it's likely that these two men had good lawyers, good doctors, and knew good people who could help them jump through whatever legal loopholes there might be. i'm sure they could easily afford private care for their child, which is probably why they sought out a sick child to begin with. no HMO's needed! i obviously don't know the Tims, but i'm willing to bet that they're as sophisticated and connected and prepared as you could reasonably expect.
Oh no doubt they had to be comfortable in their lives to commit to adoption. I just mention it because I take for granted how progressive many Minnesota companies (and our State government) have been for so long in offering partner benefits. I can't imagine how it might be in other places around the U.S., and then complicate it with a child with a preexisting condition. Like you said, they probably could afford whatever, but it is yet another area where gay equality is lacking.
And, what about hospital visitation rights if Maurice had gotten sick in a state that didn't recognize the adoptive rights of gay parents---ugh.
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on the other side of the spectrum
we have the ones that adopt toy dogs and put sweaters and sun glasses on them.
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we have the ones that adopt toy dogs and put sweaters and sun glasses on them.


it's terrible. those dogs are being deprived of a mother.

a mother like this:

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Stealing bandwidth? I got your back Irvine.

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ugh. sorry. try again:

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That baby is going to kill that poor innocent woman!
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on the other side of the spectrum
we have the ones that adopt toy dogs and put sweaters and sun glasses on them.


We love our pets and have no problem killing the unborn.
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There's no correlation between the two things you've put forth.

We also love our born. We also kill unborn animals.
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There's no correlation between the two things you've put forth.

We also love our born. We also kill unborn animals.


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Abortion in the United States
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You forgot to mention the legions of sodomite pooch-fetishizing abortion providers out there, apparently.

This is not an abortion thread, folks.
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You forgot to mention the legions of sodomite pooch-fetishizing abortion providers out there, apparently.

This is not an abortion thread, folks.
Surely, we can all agree that that is one of the many beautiful things about gay sex: no procreation--no personal worries about abortion.

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^ Would you agree that the divorce rates in gay couples would be lower compared to rates of heterosexual couples?

I would, even though there are many factors into what constitutes a successful marriage apart from gender.
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Failing to respond to the post.

Failing to stay on topic.

You're too much fun.
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