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Old 03-25-2011, 12:17 AM   #661
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a tree can't consent.

problem solved.

also, i am not committing crimes, like incest or polygamy, just to get that out of the way.
I really just found that link amusing I didn't mean anything by it
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In my opinion, the main problem with legalizing same sex marriages is it blurs the lines of the definition of marriage. It could be a seriously slippery slope
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the "definition of marriage" has evolved over time, and marriage as we know it today is only a relatively novel concept. So why can't it continue to evolve?
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I really just found that link amusing I didn't mean anything by it


fair enough, but please understand that it's a fairly relevant issue for me, and it is insulting to be compared to a polygamist, a rapist (since, in incest, a child can't consent), or a christmas tree.
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fair enough, but please understand that it's a fairly relevant issue for me, and it is insulting to be compared to a polygamist, a rapist (since, in incest, a child can't consent), or a christmas tree.
I never compared it to any of those of those things. In fact, I specifically stated that gay marriage was nothing like any of the things I stated. I simply said that making the definition of marriage simply "people who are in love" is a slippery slope
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the "definition of marriage" has evolved over time, and marriage as we know it today is only a relatively novel concept. So why can't it continue to evolve?
That's how just about everything is, and people don't seem to understand this anymore. Things such as sports, education, music, etc. have all evolved. But for some reason 'new' is no longer acceptable.
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That's how just about everything is, and people don't seem to understand this anymore. Things such as sports, education, music, etc. have all evolved. But for some reason 'new' is no longer acceptable.

I think we all agree that marriage is on a different level than sports, education, and music are, no?
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I simply said that making the definition of marriage simply "people who are in love" is a slippery slope

who is doing that? what i am interested in is removing legal language that prohibits adults from marrying their same gender. that's really it.
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who is doing that? what i am interested in is removing legal language that prohibits adults from marrying their same gender. that's really it.
That may be all you're looking to do, but there are some crazy people in this world. Once you start removing legal language that prohibits certain marriages, who's to say where that will end?
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I think we all agree that marriage is on a different level than sports, education, and music are, no?
No? No. It's life. Life is forever changing, and it doesn't matter what level you're observing it on.

I understand it's slow evolution, but could you imagine a 'new' religion forming? It gets laughed at. A 'new' country? Wouldn't happen anymore, at least not legitimately. Okay, I understand that yes these are on different levels, but just because it's not on a different level doesn't mean it hasn't happened in the past.

People are almost afraid of change, and such changes used to come naturally.
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No? No. It's life. Life is forever changing, and it doesn't matter what level you're observing it on.

I understand it's slow evolution, but could you imagine a 'new' religion forming? It gets laughed at. A 'new' country? Wouldn't happen anymore, at least not legitimately. Okay, I understand that yes these are on different levels, but just because it's not on a different level doesn't mean it hasn't happened in the past.

People are almost afraid of change, and such changes used to come naturally.
It could be argued that there a very few changes (with one or two exceptions) of signigicant magnitude that have naturally occurred in the definition of marriage, even in the past
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That may be all you're looking to do, but there are some crazy people in this world. Once you start removing legal language that prohibits certain marriages, who's to say where that will end?

the laws on the books? legislatures? the judiciary?
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It could be argued that there a very few changes (with one or two exceptions) of signigicant magnitude that have naturally occurred in the definition of marriage, even in the past

there are people alive today -- like, say, Loretta Lynn -- who married men decades older than them when they were 13 years old.

that's changed. we now call that rape.
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there are people alive today -- like, say, Loretta Lynn -- who married men decades older than them when they were 13 years old.

that's changed. we now call that rape.

This narrowed the definition of marriage. There are very few changes (perhaps other than interracial marriage) that have widened the definition over the years
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there are people alive today -- like, say, Loretta Lynn -- who married men decades older than them when they were 13 years old.

that's changed. we now call that rape.
Or... ya know... Jerry Lee Lewis.

Just to add to your point.
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This narrowed the definition of marriage. There are very few changes (perhaps other than interracial marriage) that have widened the definition over the years
Narrowed, expanded, so what? It's change, that's the most important thing.

It's not as simple as narrowing and expanding. It is dynamic, and forever changing.

I don't mean to say this as "you're a racist", nor do I mean to call you out in any way, but you do realize that people who are against homosexuality are fighting the same battle of hate that people were fighting against blacks in the 1960s?

The argument at hand is that "we are superior to you, and therefore you shall be oppressed." Now, I know it's not that simple, but you'd imagine people would learn from history but they just don't.
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