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Old 08-05-2010, 05:08 PM   #406
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But, still, I wouldn't doubt that there is plenty of that type of bullshit still going on.
Didn't Virginia pass some stupid law that unmarried, unrelated adults couldn't buy property together?
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how is that discriminatory?

all they have to do is form a Corporation

then they get 'person' status rights
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The anti-homo side's willingness to rely on the "will of the people" rather than rely on the Fourteenth Amendment to the US Constitution.
Three of the seven judges disagreed with you. I agree with them. Earth shattering.

A coherent, rational explanation for the existence of the law (whether or not you agree) can be found in the dissenting opinion.

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Three of the seven judges disagreed with you. I agree with them. Earth shattering.
Can be earth shattering if you're trying to access the Constitution. I'm sure there were dissenting opinions for in the Loving case as well. Doesn't make them, or you, any righter.
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Three of the seven judges disagreed with you.
Were these straight judges?

Anyway, good day for human rights
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Occasionally, America gets something right. This is one of those times.

On this day, the tyranny of the majority lost.
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Can be earth shattering if you're trying to access the Constitution. I'm sure there were dissenting opinions for in the Loving case as well.
There was a dissenting opinion in Baker v. Nelson too, with which Melon agrees. Duelling interpretations of what the Constitution actually says is part of what makes our political process so robust.
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Olson and Boies spell it out. the Boies clip is particularly satisfying.


YouTube - ‪Ted Olson Interview With Fox News Sunday's Chris Wallace‬‎



YouTube - ‪Prop 8 Attorney David Boies Vs. Tony Perkins Of Family Research Council‬‎



it's amazing how weak the "arguments" against same-sex marriage really are. they don't even qualify as arguments.
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it's amazing how weak the "arguments" against same-sex marriage really are. they don't even qualify as arguments.
"It's tradition" doesn't hold an ounce of sway for me in any argument.
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A thoughtful response to Prop 8 written by a friend of mine. He and I have some differences of opinions, but I appreciate his approach to the issue.

The Repeal of Proposition 8: My Reflections « Meat and Three Cafe
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NY Times

August 21, 2010
Over Time, a Gay Marriage Groundswell

By ANDREW GELMAN, JEFFREY LAX and JUSTIN PHILLIPS

Gay marriage is not going away as a highly emotional, contested issue. Proposition 8, the California ballot measure that bans same-sex marriage, has seen to that, as it winds its way through the federal courts.

But perhaps the public has reached a turning point.

A CNN poll this month found that a narrow majority of Americans supported same-sex marriage — the first poll to find majority support. Other poll results did not go that far, but still, on average, showed that support for gay marriage had risen to 45 percent or more (with the rest either opposed or undecided).

That’s a big change from 1996, when Congress passed the Defense of Marriage Act. At that time, only 25 percent of Americans said that gay and lesbian couples should have the right to marry, according to an average of national polls.

The more important turning points in public opinion, however, may be occurring at the state level, especially if states continue to control who can get married.

According to our research, as recently as 2004, same-sex marriage did not have majority support in any state. By 2008, three states had crossed the 50 percent line. *

Today, 17 states are over that line (more if you consider the CNN estimate correct that just over 50 percent of the country supports gay marriage).

In 2008, the year Proposition 8 was approved, just under half of Californians supported same-sex marriage,. Today, according to polls, more than half do. A similar shift has occurred in Maine, where same-sex marriage legislation was repealed by ballot measure in 2009.

In both New York and New Jersey, where state legislatures in the past have defeated proposals to allow same-sex marriage, a majority now support it.

And support for same-sex marriage has increased in all states, even in relatively conservative places like Wyoming and Kentucky. Only Utah is still below where national support stood in 1996.

Among the five states that currently allow same-sex marriage, Iowa is the outlier. It is the only one of those states where support falls below half, at 44 percent.

This trend will continue. Nationally, a majority of people under age 30 support same-sex marriage. And this is not because of overwhelming majorities found in more liberal states that skew the national picture: our research shows that a majority of young people in almost every state support it. As new voters come of age, and as their older counterparts exit the voting pool, it’s likely that support will increase, pushing more states over the halfway mark.



State figures are based on a statistical technique has been used to generate state estimates from national polls. Public opinion is estimated in small demographic categories within each state, and then these are averaged using census information to get state-level summaries. Estimates in 2010 are projected from 2008 state-level estimates using an aggregate national estimate of 45 percent (or 50 percent) support for gay marriage.

The authors are professors of political science at Columbia University.
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another shoe drops


Bush Campaign Chief and Former RNC Chair Ken Mehlman: I'm Gay -
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what they did in 2004 is still unforgivable.
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But he's sorry.
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But he's sorry.


i hope he donates a good portion of what i am sure is a hefty salary to something like The Trevor Project.
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