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Old 05-01-2006, 07:07 PM   #76
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in some cultures
they believe individual choices are everyone's business and personal choices are crimes

thus they have "honour killings"
I'm not sure "honor killings" is the best argument in support of abortion.
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Ah, the lawyer in me notices that "Laws" is not a defined term in the Constitution.

Lets say, however, if Congress passes a law that steps on the power of the Executive Branch, how is it challenged? Only the third branch (judiciary) can sort it out.
The Laws may change, but the notion of breaking the law hasn't.
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Since there are no "children" involved, no, I don't agree with that part of your statement.

Abortions are personal choices made by the woman, for the woman and as such are not violent acts committed against her anymore than a tonsillectomy is.
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Since there are no "children" involved, no, I don't agree with that part of your statement.

Abortions are personal choices made by the woman, for the woman and as such are not violent acts committed against her anymore than a tonsillectomy is.
When do the children suddenly become involved?
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When do the children suddenly become involved?
What?

Border Girl stated abortion is violence committed against women and children.

When we start aborting walking, talking, thinking 5 year olds, ask me again.
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That makes sense. Kids under 5 can't survive on their own.



Seriously, her reference to children likely dealt with the unborn children.

But arguments in favor of abortion can be applied to toddlers as well.
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Here's my whole quote:

"I know this isn't popular in here but I just have to say that abortion, which is violence against women and children is everyones business.
It spills over into a society that cheapens life."
Ok, I'll go ahead and agree with you. I agree that abortion is a relatively invasive procedure that brings about the violent end to life.

I also believe that most unwanted pregnancies are a societal as well as personal failure to prevent the pregnancy.

Having said that, I still believe that the only person making the abortion decision should be the pregnant woman. Society's role is to educate and support in prevention and decision-making.

Does it spill over into a society that cheapens life? No more so than society ALREADY cheapens life.
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I love how you guys have picked and chosen certain parts of my quote.
Can you at least agree with this part: and children ?

A group of dividing cells does not a child make...
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A group of dividing cells does not a child make...
Just an FYI since we probably agree on most issues on this general topic...by the time most women discover they are pregnant, that group of dividing cells has a heartbeat.
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A group of dividing cells does not a child make...
When does it suddenly occur? After 3 months, 6, 9, age 2, 5?
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Im thinking age of consent, fair game until that point.
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When does it suddenly occur? After 3 months, 6, 9, age 2, 5?
15% of recognized pregnancies end in misscarriage (a lot more than abortions by the way, should we call God a baby killer?). It's almost 50% once you include those pregnancies that weren't realized.

Of that 15% most occur during the first trimester, before the fetus can survive outside the womb. The fetus lacks all the functions necessary to make it human...
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So if it's not human, then is it a fish? grizzly bear? worm?

It's got 23 pairs of chromosomes making it human.
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