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Old 03-04-2006, 11:26 AM   #31
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I don't think we have a secular Right in Alabama. Our right-wingers are all fundies.
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I can understand why someone who lived under the Nazis or other fascist regimes would be inclined to find frightening echoes of their strategies in the tendencies of some contemporary American social and political groups. My parents often did the same thing. But as a political scientist, I am tired of seeing the term "fascism" carelessly tossed around as an all-purpose synonym for any sort of authoritarian impulse. Fascism proper involves, among many other things, a mystical exaltation of the the supremacy of the state and the race over individuals and groups; cults of personality surrounding leaders seen as embodying the former; and a characteristic organization of the economy through trade-based (pseudo-)unions which are structurally independent of the state but committed to this overall ideology. There really is nothing quite like this in the world today, although I could think of a few groups in a few places (not here) that arguably meet most of the criteria.

And I find this particular statement way overdrawn as a speculation as to what most supporters of the Christian Right would actually be willing to go along with:
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This movement will not stop until we are ruled by Biblical Law, an authoritarian church intrudes in every aspect of our life, women stay at home and rear children, gays agree to be cured, abortion is considered murder, the press and the schools promote "positive" Christian values, the federal government is gutted, war becomes our primary form of communication with the rest of the world and recalcitrant non-believers see their flesh eviscerated at the sound of the Messiah's voice.
Not likely, and even if it were, such a state would much more aptly be called theocracy than fascism. But melon is right: the same idealism and wistful Freudian longing for a state of perpetual refuge in mother's (or should I say father's) benevolently protective embrace that drives such subversions of democracy, also inevitably plants the seeds of its disillusioned undoing.
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I don't think we have a secular Right in Alabama. Our right-wingers are all fundies.
Isn't that part of the problem. Some on the right are automatically bundled with "fundies" due to their stances on various issues.
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Isn't that part of the problem. Some on the right are automatically bundled with "fundies" due to their stances on various issues.
Yes. But our conservatives want it that way. In Alabama, this is what gets you votes, and naturally our politicians go that way. It's the way to get elected, and this is what politicians want.
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I try to avoid the word fascist when I speak about my distate for conservative christians. I find that the word turns so many people off they don't listen to what I have to say.
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Yes. But our conservatives want it that way. In Alabama, this is what gets you votes, and naturally our politicians go that way. It's the way to get elected, and this is what politicians want.
And if it gets votes it's because what they purport to stand for matches what the voters want.

Isn't that democracy ? Candidate A says "I stand for this" and voter B says "yeah, that's what I believe, I'll have me some of that".
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I try to avoid the word fascist when I speak about my distate for conservative christians. I find that the word turns so many people off they don't listen to what I have to say.
Oh, I don't think all conservative Christians are fascists. But some of them in my state with political aspirations, yes, I think they are fascists. I just hope none of them are elected in this year's elections, but I think I'm being too naive.
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Oh, I don't think all conservative Christians are fascists. But some of them in my state with political aspirations, yes, I think they are fascists. I just hope none of them are elected in this year's elections, but I think I'm being too naive.
How do you distinguish between the Christians you deem fascists and the Christians who are not fascists?
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The fascists adopt an efficient melding of the welfare state, corporations, security apparatus and notions of racial purity with a very strong sense of belligerent nationalism.

They also have a general sense of hatred towards Christians.
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The Christian Right scares the hell out of me.
Some commentators reckon that the Christian Right are gathering momentum here in Australia. It's hard to imagine it happening anytime soon, but it's the Abbotts and Danna Vales and the Family Firsts which will be right behind any such shift....

....and if the Chrsitian far-right did govern Aussie, I'm gonna start a Revolution, and I'm gonna have a coup, and tell them to all **** off...
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tell them to all **** off...
But use the real word. Asterisks tend to be a tad benign.
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But use the real word. Asterisks tend to be a tad benign.
Unless they're supposed to be ninja stars.





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Good point.
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wow, im glad im apathetic towards most politcal issues.
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I think the word "fascist" is often misused by both right and left and this article appears to really misuse the label despite his mentioning of people like Bonhoeffer, etc.
Also, what many people fail to look at is the state of the official German church at that time-theologically, they were nothing like the Christian Right today. Either way, both sides use fear to get their way-the far left uses fear of the far Christian Right and vice-versa. What both sides fail to recognize is that most Americans don't really give a damn either way.
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