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Old 08-03-2006, 05:30 PM   #1
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The Catholic church seeks to Excommunicate Maddona.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/liv...#StartComments

Has madonna gone to far, or is it just a simple freedom of expresion of art??

I don't think she should be excommunicated, just she needs to watch what she does in the future.
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Old 08-03-2006, 05:35 PM   #2
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Her act gets her the attention she wants.

Would she really care if she gets excommunicated?
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Re: The Catholic church seeks to Excommunicate Maddona.

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Has madonna gone to far, or is it just a simple freedom of expresion of art??

I don't think she should be excommunicated, just she needs to watch what she does in the future.
They have every right to excommunicate her for that. In fact, I don't even know why she is a member of the Catholic Church. Her beliefs are far from Catholic.
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No, but the church has alot of influence which could make sales drop.
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I thought she was practicing Kabbalah. Most people that buy her records probably don't care what the Vatican has to say about anything so the sales wouldn't suffer. If they want to excommunicate her, go for it, I love a good excommunication.
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sure, why not

and excommunicate Mel Gibson, too.


who has done more harm?
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did we feel the same way about the Kanye West RS cover?

i think nearly all iconography is ripe for subversion, offensive or not, religious or not.

though Madonna doesn't seem to be defacing the cross in any sense, unless a woman as sexually provocative as she's been in the past is, by definition, a defacement.
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that picture looks pretty tame. to me
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that picture looks pretty tame. to me

I agree. Why is the Vatican wasting time on this?
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[q]Exclusive: Madonna Speaks About Her "Big, Big Project"

Move over, Angelina and Bono. Another superstar is bound for Africa, this one with money and spiritualism in a plan to care for orphans
By BELINDA LUSCOMBE

Posted Thursday, Aug. 03, 2006
Malawi, a Pennsylvania-sized country in southeast Africa, has four things in abundance: AIDS, malaria, drought and tobacco (its major crop). It also has a functioning democracy and little conflict. To date, therefore, it has not attracted much attention from the rest of the world. But that's about to change. Malawi is about to be hit by a force that has thrown much more robust countries for a loop. Her name is Madonna.

And being Madonna, she's not arriving in Malawi by halves. She has already committed to raising at least $3 million to fund programs particularly aimed at orphans there. Of Malawi's population of 12 million, about a million are orphans. Ground has just been broken on an orphan care center, which aims to feed and educate as many as 1,000 children a day. She has also formed a partnership with developing-world economic guru Jeffrey Sachs on programs to improve the health, agriculture and economy of a village nearby. She's financing—to the tune of about $1 million—a documentary about the plight of children there. And she has met with Bill Clinton to see if they can work together to bring low-cost medicines to the area, as well as partnering with several aid organizations. This, mind you, is all before Madonna has ever even set foot in Africa. (She plans to go in October.)

"For the last few years—now that I have children and now that I have what I consider to be a better perspective on life—I have felt responsible for the children of the world," says Madonna, taking a break between London concert dates . "I've been doing bits and bobs about it and I suppose I was looking for a big, big project I could sink my teeth into." The "better perspective" she attributes to Kabbalah, the study of Jewish mysticism. Her co-founder in the Raising Malawi project is Michael Berg, founder of the Kabbalah center in Los Angeles and one of the driving forces behind its growing popularity. And although it has no religious affiliation, the orphan-care center—which will be like a day camp for orphans, who often have relatives who will give them a place to sleep but cannot feed them—will offer programs based on Spirituality for Kids, Kabbalah's children's program. "One of the main precepts of Kabbalah is that we're put on this earth to help people," says Madonna. "And your job is to figure out how you can help, and what it is that you can do."

Madonna is the latest in a line of major stars who have been trying to cast some of their limelight onto the situation in Africa. Sachs, who Madonna called after she read his book The End of Poverty, has already worked closely with Bono and Angelina Jolie, among others. He knows people are cynical about celebrities' philanthropic efforts, but having met with Madonna (they had lunch and then he went to his first-ever Madonna concert), he's not. "Of course there are no doubt people who on a fling say something, but that's not what Madonna's doing, it's not what Angelina's doing, it's not what Bono's doing," he says. "In the very noisy and complicated world that we have, people that reach large numbers of people, like Madonna does, have an extraordinarily important role to play. When they're devoting their time, their money, their name, a lot of effort, a lot of organization skill to all of this, it makes a huge difference. The cynics are just wrong. They don't get it."

http://www.time.com/time/world/artic...222449,00.html

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I'd like to know on what theological basis that the Vatican can excommunicate her. Merely being offended isn't a reason. This is how the Catholic Church officially defines "blasphemy":

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Blasphemy is directly opposed to the second commandment. It consists in uttering against God - inwardly or outwardly - words of hatred, reproach, or defiance; in speaking ill of God; in failing in respect toward him in one's speech; in misusing God's name. St. James condemns those "who blaspheme that honorable name [of Jesus] by which you are called." The prohibition of blasphemy extends to language against Christ's Church, the saints, and sacred things. It is also blasphemous to make use of God's name to cover up criminal practices, to reduce peoples to servitude, to torture persons or put them to death. The misuse of God's name to commit a crime can provoke others to repudiate religion.

Blasphemy is contrary to the respect due God and his holy name. It is in itself a grave sin.
So really, a lot of this would depend on Madonna's motivation and meaning behind this. Is she doing this out of "hatred, reproach, or defiance" of Jesus Christ or is this meant to be a larger sociopolitical statement? Again, merely because it offends conservative sensibilities doesn't mean that it's "blasphemy." I think most of the crap the Vatican spews these days would fall under "blasphemy."

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honestly who even gives a shit?
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Old 08-03-2006, 06:55 PM   #13
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honestly who even gives a shit?
I wouldn't put it like that but yes, who cares? I'm not a catholic, nor am I Madonna (obviously).
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Why bother? She's not a practicing Catholic anymore anyway. You can't toss someone out of a club if they are no longer attending.
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Isn't she already ex-communicated for being divorced...
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