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Old 04-19-2005, 08:37 PM   #16
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I guess having someone below you is preferable than standing all on the same level though.

yes, absolutely.

this is why, in much of, say, rap -- and the biggest perpetrator of this being Eminem, who i'm a fan of, btw -- that it is perfectly acceptable to make gay slurs because, hey, i might be black and poor and uneducated, or white and poor and uneducated (and because i rap and worship black rappers, i suppose traditional racism is out of the question), but at least i'm not gay.

we all need someone to kick to make ourselves feel better, don't we?
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DON'T get me started on Eminem.

Should I break your heart, Irvine, by saying that Bono is a big fan of his, because he is fascinated with him on a personal level ("but for the grace of God, Ali, and U2 when I was 16, there go I." He was going down Em's road in those 2 yrs between his mother's death and the band. He knew Ali in a schoolfriend sense for 3 yrs but they didn't start a relationship until he was 16.) THis is the only time I don't agree with Bono here, but at least I can understand why the friendship, at least on an intellectual level. Maybe Bono is trying to "convert" him. Who knows?
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I don't think even situation has to line up perfectly with another to be be worthy of similar consideration
Exactly. No, gay people haven't been enslaved or kept in the back of a bus like black people have, but they're still facing discrimination. Discrimination can come in any form-anyone can experience it. And yes, gay people are being denied their rights: the right to the pursuit of happiness. They aren't being allowed to do something that would make them happy, just as interracial couples were denied their happiness at one time, or just as black people were denied their happiness (after all, I can imagine that most people aren't happy when they get banned from going to some show they really wanted to see or sitting anywhere they wanted in a building or a vehicle or something like that). It really amazes me that some people don't get that.

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My first thoughts: On this crayon gig with black, white, yellow, red ...


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I think it's time we started thinking about the human race.

Quite contradicting given your view that it's OK to create 2nd class citizens by not allowing them the same rights as you. Do you even read your own posts?
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DON'T get me started on Eminem.

Should I break your heart, Irvine, by saying that Bono is a big fan of his, because he is fascinated with him on a personal level ("but for the grace of God, Ali, and U2 when I was 16, there go I." He was going down Em's road in those 2 yrs between his mother's death and the band. He knew Ali in a schoolfriend sense for 3 yrs but they didn't start a relationship until he was 16.) THis is the only time I don't agree with Bono here, but at least I can understand why the friendship, at least on an intellectual level. Maybe Bono is trying to "convert" him. Who knows?

not at all -- re-read my post; i'm an Eminem fan as well. as much as i'd do anything to prevent my 11 year old from buying his records, his talent is astonishing, and he's sociologically fascinating as well for the reasons i mentioned above.
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Exactly. No, gay people haven't been enslaved or kept in the back of a bus like black people have, but they're still facing discrimination. Discrimination can come in any form-anyone can experience it. And yes, gay people are being denied their rights: the right to the pursuit of happiness. They aren't being allowed to do something that would make them happy, just as interracial couples were denied their happiness at one time, or just as black people were denied their happiness (after all, I can imagine that most people aren't happy when they get banned from going to some show they really wanted to see or sitting anywhere they wanted in a building or a vehicle or something like that). It really amazes me that some people don't get that.

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and gay people get killed for simply being gay, both in the West and certainly all over the world. gay-bashings and lynchings have much in common.
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Exactly. No, gay people haven't been enslaved or kept in the back of a bus like black people have, but they're still facing discrimination. Discrimination can come in any form-anyone can experience it. And yes, gay people are being denied their rights: the right to the pursuit of happiness. They aren't being allowed to do something that would make them happy, just as interracial couples were denied their happiness at one time, or just as black people were denied their happiness (after all, I can imagine that most people aren't happy when they get banned from going to some show they really wanted to see or sitting anywhere they wanted in a building or a vehicle or something like that). It really amazes me that some people don't get that.

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well said!
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Thanks, Marie .

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and gay people get killed for simply being gay, both in the West and certainly all over the world. gay-bashings and lynchings have much in common.
Yes. Good point to add. Very true. Matthew Shepard, anyone?

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Thanks, Marie .



Yes. Good point to add. Very true. Matthew Shepard, anyone?

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and Matthew Shepard is one of thousands. we don't hear about most of these cases.

and we could start a whole other thread about gay teens who kill themselves.
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Hm...I find this position quite interesting. Only 40 years ago, a black person was banned from marrying a white person. I believe the case was Love vs. Virginia and it made it to the Supreme Court. In that case, the SC said that you could not discriminate against marriage based on race. You know the NAACP today would be all over a state trying to ban marriage between a black and white person. So why are they against this?

And you wonder why "keeping it on the down low" has become a topic of interest for news programs now.
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I was thinking about the down low thing too sharky

Pardon my ignorance about the topic, but just from seeing the Oprah show, I thought most of those men insisted they aren't gay? Maybe they're just in denial
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tonight, during her HBO special, Whoopi Goldberg: "gay people are the new black people."
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tonight, during her HBO special, Whoopi Goldberg: "gay people are the new black people."
I love her ripping on Leviticus! It was hillarious.
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