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Old 01-29-2005, 09:50 PM   #76
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I can speak for myself, I am not afraid of homosexuals, they are people just like everyone else, and there is not one person in this world better then the other, we are all equals, no matter what.
I agree 100%

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But- morality plays a huge part in this, and beliefs, that it is wrong, and not an approiatte lifestyle to live and not Godly or ordained of God, but marriage with an offspring, man to woman.
But this part leaves me scratching my head maybe cause of the wording or maybe it's just too late for me?!
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Old 01-29-2005, 10:19 PM   #77
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I agree 100%


But this part leaves me scratching my head maybe cause of the wording or maybe it's just too late for me?!
Just an example, not to offend anyone in anyway, but what I mean is that - say "adulteres" I am not going to take part in there lifestyle because for me it is morally wrong, but I am not going to cast stones at them or be afraid of them, but only love them like a brother. It is kinda of the same thing, on the level of chastity.
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why is an adulteress the moral equivalent of a homosexual?
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why is an adulteress the moral equivalent of a homosexual?
I never said they were equivelent, I only said they were similar. It was an example to get my point across Im in no way trying to say that one is worse then the other.
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So...who here is interested in hearing about how many men and/or women I've been with? I'm talking about sex. Who wants to know? It seems that it matters..So I have decided to willingly share this with the forum.
"You?" I hear you say. "Why would this forum want to hear about your sex life, Angela Harlem?"

And bloody indeed too. Sex is the difference between hetero and homosexuals. Of all the gay and lesbian women I've known over the years, I've noticed a rather startling fact. They do the same things I do. They go shopping together. They buy houses together. They eat out in restaurants, see bands, hire movies, have barbeques, argue about money, they have jealousies and relationship idiosyncrisies like ME!, they disagree on Ford vs Holden, they go on holidays together, socialise, vote, brush their teeth, pee, see galleries and go swimming JUST LIKE ME! Weird huh?

So I ask you. What do you want to know about me and sex? Some say that homosexual men and women affect their own relationships by degenerating the notion of such. But how many bloody bedrooms do we all go into anyway??? Once that bedroom door closes, no one else really knows. It's presumptuous to assume otherwise. It seems from this thread though, there is some kind of vested interest in the goings on in other's bedrooms and I assume that those who are affected frequently ask others what they get up to. After all, how else will you really know how strong your own relationship is?
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Old 01-30-2005, 07:39 AM   #81
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But dread, isn't there some sort of agenda if someone is trying to say the Bible supports homosexuality?
then i assume there's also some sort of agenda when someone tries to say the bible condemns homosexuality?

or is it only an agenda when you disagree with it?
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The term "agenda" is just a word and I think it's an irrelevant one in the context of this discussion. What is more pertinent here is justifying why your "agenda" should be held to a higher level than that of another person.

Perhaps we can begin with this question: Why should any one person be allowed to dictate what is morally acceptable behaviour from another individual?


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Perhaps we can begin with this question: Why should any one person be allowed to dictate what is morally acceptable behaviour from another individual?
Consider the context of the discussion. For many, the individual is not dictating the morally acceptable behavior - God is.

And you are correct, tossing the agenda label around doesn't help. For context of this discussion, what is important is the methodology used for Biblical interpretation and, when consistently applied, what do the texts tell us.
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Is there a consistent application or interpretation of Biblical texts regarding homosexuality?

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Depends on who you ask.
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So the texts tell us each individually? I would imagine each person can make their own decisions on what the text tells them.

If I am right there, then I think the final result is going to be that morality, even in the Bible, is nothing more than a matter of individual interpretation and application. If that is the case, then what is to hold one person's interpretation higher than another's? Consistently, what is to hold one person's interpretation over another who finds the Bible to be an unjusitfied source of morals or even immoral?

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No. I think you misunderstood my response.

There are many, including myself, who say there is one interpretation and many applications.

There are relativists who will tell you that each person can come up with their own meaning. To me, that is each person creating their own "God”.
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But that is still a function of your interpretation, right? Hence the beginning of your sentence, "To me...". Now if you acknowledge that this is only "to you" then you too are conceding the presence of relativism, are you not?

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There are relativists who will tell you that each person can come up with their own meaning. To me, that is each person creating their own "God”.
As opposed to you creating your own "God" and believing everyone else should accept your interpretation.
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Not at all. I am acknowledging those who will argue for relativism.

Relavitism is self defeating.
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