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Old 07-07-2002, 03:12 AM   #1
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The Atrocities of humankind, this DVD and The Blessings of A Free Society..

I watched this HORRIFIC/GRAPHIC DVD tonight entitled:" Executions" by Reality Media. It was a documentary that showed :

Executions
Assinations
Slaughtering of Innocents
Dismembering of polictical prisoners
Corpses ect.

It made me physically ill, and I could not finish it. This made reality cop shows look like bubblegum rock.

It showed present day atrocities and past atrocities committed by-
Stalin
Hitler
Saddam
The IRA
SanSalvador
Nigeria
Vietnam
Lebannon..
ect ect ect..I had to hurl once..

What I learned after comtemplating and collecting myself is this-
We that live in FREE SOCIETYS DO NOT realize HOW lucky and BLESSED we are.:idea:

Third world countries ran by dictators and tyrrants that WHIMSCIALLY and RANDOMLY slaughter their country men at WILL, make me love my country more and weep for their innocent.

Lastly I feel ashamed for taking my country for granted.
I truly feel that the founding fathers of my country were inspired men when they penned The Declaration Of Independence.:idea:

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Old 07-07-2002, 09:28 AM   #2
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IT has nothing to do with free society


Attrocites have also been commited in the name of freedom.


My thinking is that at times...humans are worse than animals no animal commits the attrocites that mankind has commited


We've been sculpted in the image of god, yet we fail to recognize it and the price ...is not only separation from each other, but from ourselves....for no man with a conscience can commit those acts.
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I agree diamond, sometimes i cant for granted the country that Im forunate to live in. I was talking to my mom about how lucky we are and she said the that I think hit this subject on the nail. She said that America is the only country were you can say that u arent proud to be an American and still be standing there. If someone said that in another country about their country most likely they wouldnt be with us anymore.


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Diamond your post made me realize how I sometimes forget how lucky I am to live in a peaceful country where I don't have to worry for my life every single day.
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IT has nothing to do with free society


Attrocites have also been commited in the name of freedom.


My thinking is that at times...humans are worse than animals no animal commits the attrocites that mankind has commited


We've been sculpted in the image of god, yet we fail to recognize it and the price ...is not only separation from each other, but from ourselves....for no man with a conscience can commit those acts.
very true Arun lets not forget Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Napalm, et al.
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San Salvador was propped up by the American government during the 1980s, or do we forget that? I hope that we never do.

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I'm not trampling on the US


but we have made mistakes

no nation has a perfect history
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Re: The Atrocities of humankind, this DVD and The Blessings of A Free Society..

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I watched this HORRIFIC/GRAPHIC DVD tonight entitled:" Executions" by Reality Media.

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What I learned after comtemplating and collecting myself is this-
We that live in FREE SOCIETYS DO NOT realize HOW lucky and BLESSED we are.:idea:

But...the US carries out executions.

You might also want to note that the death squads in El Salvador you refer to were often trained by the US.
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Old 07-07-2002, 09:06 PM   #9
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I agree diamond, sometimes i cant for granted the country that Im forunate to live in. I was talking to my mom about how lucky we are and she said the that I think hit this subject on the nail. She said that America is the only country were you can say that u arent proud to be an American and still be standing there. If someone said that in another country about their country most likely they wouldnt be with us anymore.


my .02
Yes .
You hit it on head Naya and AWH

What upsets me as a US Citizen is-
Ppl here SCREAM about their civil rights in our country. They demand everything like FREE this to FREE THAT..ignoring the fact that these other human beings HAVE NO HUMAN RIGHTS WHATSOEVER in their own countries
No legal representation.
NO respect at all.
And we complain here.

The tape showed prisoners in Iraq getting limbs amputated for stealing TVs ect,,
In our country PRISONERS complain if they DONT have a color TV in their cell

Whats up w that.?
Fizzing- I know who trained the death squads.
Raf- Your answers are bcoming too predictable:idea:

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You don't need to rent a DVD to see what's going on. Just watch the evening news. It's just as horrific much of the time.

We, in the western world nowadays really have no idea how good we have it.

If you want to feel blessed, next time you go to the gas station and the guy pumping your gas has a foreign accent, ask him where he's from. Don't be surprised when you hear he's a refugee from Bosnia who 3 years ago was either a doctor, lawyer or engineer living in big house in a comfy subdivision who, having survived, lost literally everything (including loved ones) and had to start over in a forein country.
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Let's take the United States' most atrocious act of the Twentieth Century. Pick any one of them, I don't care.

(For argument's sake, I'll pick Hiroshima + Nagasaki, the destruction of two cities in a country that attacked us, at a time when our only other option was a full-scale invasion.)

Does ANYBODY want to say that that act is equivalent to, say... the six million killed during the Nazi holocaust?

Or how about the 20+ million killed in the Soviet Union under Joseph Stalin?

Anyone?


The only real American atrocity is slavery. But there are a few things worth noting: First, the institution of slavery existed in pretty much every civilization up to that point. Second, the U.S. showed itself willing to fight a war with ITSELF to purge this atrocity. Third, if it weren't for the efforts of Americans and other people living in free societies, we probably would not have concluded that slavery is, in fact, immoral.


Ultimately, our freedom as a people HAS kept us safe from things as horrendous as the Holocaust. One needs to look no further than to the fact that the Holocaust was SO hidden from the common German to see how dangerous the free flow of information really is.

Also note how morons and neo-Nazis continue to assert that the Holocaust never happened. Anyone know of anyone disputing the existence of American slavery - OR the dropping of the atomic bombs in World War II?

No? MY POINT EXACTLY.
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You don't need to rent a DVD to see what's going on. Just watch the evening news. It's just as horrific much of the time.

We, in the western world nowadays really have no idea how good we have it.

If you want to feel blessed, next time you go to the gas station and the guy pumping your gas has a foreign accent, ask him where he's from. Don't be surprised when you hear he's a refugee from Bosnia who 3 years ago was either a doctor, lawyer or engineer living in big house in a comfy subdivision who, having survived, lost literally everything (including loved ones) and had to start over in a forein country.
Good pts Ali.
One pt the evening news has a way of santitizing the carnage/bloodshed, and watering it down. This DVD was a cold dose of REALITY.


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This was a VERY good wake up call for me


Arun-

I agree -w/can shrink and degenerate to a subhuman form.
Im glad we have the freedom to choose our destiny -here in THIS country
We WONT get BUTCHERED if we oppose our govt.
Im also glad you have the freedom to practice guitar



Fizzing-
We also afforded the ppl being euecuted in the USA something other countries DO NOT OFFER..its called DUE PROCESS..:idea:

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adamswildhoney: sorry, but your mother was wrong. in the EU you can speak out against your country, in australia/ new zealand too, and iŽd wonder if there are not some other countries...

achtung bubba: america fought a civil war, not a war against itself. wasnŽt it north against south, and north could "afford" to be against slavery because of more industry? feel free to correct me if my history lessons were wrong.
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achtung bubba: america fought a civil war, not a war against itself. wasnŽt it north against south, and north could "afford" to be against slavery because of more industry? feel free to correct me if my history lessons were wrong.
A civil war is effectively a war with itself.
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adamswildhoney: sorry, but your mother was wrong. in the EU you can speak out against your country, in australia/ new zealand too, and iŽd wonder if there are not some other countries...
ahem...Canada...Finland, Sweden, Norway, much of South America...the list goes on....
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