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Old 12-21-2004, 06:20 PM   #226
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I love this thread.

A bunch of atheists who are arguing on a U2 message forum. They are here because they like U2, but did you know that U2 is a christian band spreading a subtle christian message?

Why so much interest in a band that sings about themes you probably dont care for? I certainly respect your right to enjoy U2, I find it ironic that you are arguing atheism on this board.

My advice, Take a hint guys.. from Beautiful day "What you dont know, You can feel it somehow"..

Have faith


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My advice would be think for yourself and be independent.
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Old 12-21-2004, 07:07 PM   #228
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I love this thread.

A bunch of atheists who are arguing on a U2 message forum. They are here because they like U2, but did you know that U2 is a christian band spreading a subtle christian message?

Why so much interest in a band that sings about themes you probably dont care for? I certainly respect your right to enjoy U2, I find it ironic that you are arguing atheism on this board.

My advice, Take a hint guys.. from Beautiful day "What you dont know, You can feel it somehow"..

i didn't realize there was an "I believe in God" statement you had to sign before buying a CD or concert ticket.

besides, it's not about lyrics, it's all about drums.

some people are perfectly capable of loving U2's *music* and not giving a crap about bono's lyrics which are more spiritual than Christian, i'd argue, and filled with doubt. U2 choose to believe, and that's fine, but they are hardly prosthelytizing or spreading a Christian message. these are personal journeys of faith, and doubt, and the lyrics are intentionally vague enough for anyone of any stripe of belief or non-belief to find a home inside.

i find it ironic that you'd criticize those who choose to think for themselves and arrive at their own conclusions, atheist being just one of many, and as respectable as any other -- so long as it is arrived at through questioning and intellect and not some passively accepted, rarely reflected upon, inherited belief system. bono questions, bono doubts, bono arrives at more faith than not, but bono knows you may not, and bono wants you to listen anyway and find your own answer.
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btw, i'm an agnostic, and it's U2 that make me question my faith and fall away from what i was taught, believe it or not.
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i didn't realize there was an "I believe in God" statement you had to sign before buying a CD or concert ticket.

besides, it's not about lyrics, it's all about drums.

some people are perfectly capable of loving U2's *music* and not giving a crap about bono's lyrics which are more spiritual than Christian, i'd argue, and filled with doubt. U2 choose to believe, and that's fine, but they are hardly prosthelytizing or spreading a Christian message. these are personal journeys of faith, and doubt, and the lyrics are intentionally vague enough for anyone of any stripe of belief or non-belief to find a home inside.

i find it ironic that you'd criticize those who choose to think for themselves and arrive at their own conclusions, atheist being just one of many, and as respectable as any other -- so long as it is arrived at through questioning and intellect and not some passively accepted, rarely reflected upon, inherited belief system. bono questions, bono doubts, bono arrives at more faith than not, but bono knows you may not, and bono wants you to listen anyway and find your own answer.
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I believe in a god of some kind, but I'm a more spiritual person-my beliefs come from various religions, I don't really belong to a particular one. And you've basically summed up one of the big reasons why I love this band's music. It's nice to hear people talk about religion without telling me that my beliefs are stupid or wrong or I'm going to hell or something. And it's nice to find others out there who have the same questions regarding religion that I do. They put everything regarding religion in much better words than I can.

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Old 12-21-2004, 07:34 PM   #231
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I love this thread.

A bunch of atheists who are arguing on a U2 message forum. They are here because they like U2, but did you know that U2 is a christian band spreading a subtle christian message?

Why so much interest in a band that sings about themes you probably dont care for? I certainly respect your right to enjoy U2, I find it ironic that you are arguing atheism on this board.

My advice, Take a hint guys.. from Beautiful day "What you dont know, You can feel it somehow"..

Have faith


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I guess this means I would have to be a drunk, redneck divorcee to like country music.

Or I would have to be a car crash about love to like Ryan Adams.

Oh but I definately would have to be a high rollin pimp who liked my ice around my neck and my Crystal cold to enjoy hip hop music.

Have faith,

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I love this thread.

A bunch of atheists who are arguing on a U2 message forum. They are here because they like U2, but did you know that U2 is a christian band spreading a subtle christian message?

Why so much interest in a band that sings about themes you probably dont care for? I certainly respect your right to enjoy U2, I find it ironic that you are arguing atheism on this board.

My advice, Take a hint guys.. from Beautiful day "What you dont know, You can feel it somehow"..

Have faith


Mark



So....you only listen to "Christian" bands? How extraordinarily limiting.
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Old 12-21-2004, 10:08 PM   #233
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I do think for myself.. thank you .. thanks for the sound advice.

No im not a crazy christian.. Im a democrat Canadian who is liberal as anything. I hate conservative way of mind and REFUSE .. ABSOLUTELY REFUSE to listen to christian bands, or buy into the brand of Evangelism bread by the south.

My best friend, who has posted on this thread, is an atheist. But I am a christian. I am drawn to U2 because they inspire a christian faith in me.

I humbly respect your right to enjoy U2's music and your right to have an opinion.

But It is necessary for me to point out the irony in this thread, whether you like it or not.

Every U2 song has a bible quote or has been directly influenced by the bible. Its a clear message, with some subtle attributes.

So again, its ironic that we are having an atheism rally on this board when U2's music, meaning, and direction has a very deep and clear christian base.

"some people are perfectly capable of loving U2's *music* and not giving a crap about bono's lyrics which are more spiritual than Christian"

-Really? You listen to music and dont bother to understand meaning. Is meaning not the basis of everything we do.. finding meaning? Anyway if you can really do this, than I am very impressed



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Wooahh! This thread sure took a sharp detour. One moment we were having an interesting exchange of ideas then suddenly we get all this acrimony. I just want to say as a christian I have been enjoying the frank discussion I've been having with particularly A_W and Beli. I see nothing wrong with there being a thread to discuss atheism on a U2 fan site. I'm sure Bono would enjoy discussing peoples values and beliefs with respect too. It's not so much ironic as it is perfectly fitting considering this is a band that tackles the big issues of life in it's lyircs.

Let's go back to having more worthwhile discussion. No one gets anything out of nit-picking.
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I do think for myself.. thank you .. thanks for the sound advice.

No im not a crazy christian.. Im a democrat Canadian who is liberal as anything. I hate conservative way of mind and REFUSE .. ABSOLUTELY REFUSE to listen to christian bands, or buy into the brand of Evangelism bread by the south.

My best friend, who has posted on this thread, is an atheist. But I am a christian. I am drawn to U2 because they inspire a christian faith in me.

I humbly respect your right to enjoy U2's music and your right to have an opinion.

But It is necessary for me to point out the irony in this thread, whether you like it or not.

Every U2 song has a bible quote or has been directly influenced by the bible. Its a clear message, with some subtle attributes.

So again, its ironic that we are having an atheism rally on this board when U2's music, meaning, and direction has a very deep and clear christian base.

"some people are perfectly capable of loving U2's *music* and not giving a crap about bono's lyrics which are more spiritual than Christian"

-Really? You listen to music and dont bother to understand meaning. Is meaning not the basis of everything we do.. finding meaning? Anyway if you can really do this, than I am very impressed



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Very funny, Mark. Remind me a bit of the "my best friend is black (or gay)" comments. Thanks for the smile.

To be honest, I was shocked at how mainstream to conservative Christian many people on this board are. I can appreciate and understand U2's songs without being sold on what it means to them. They can be as Christian as they want to be without changing my views at all.

You find it ironic that there are atheists here, but you don't find it ironic that you, a self described Christian, would "REFUSE .. ABSOLUTELY REFUSE to listen to christian bands?" hmmm.... strange
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Re U2s lyrics

Most of the time Bonos singing sounds like atmospheric wailing. I cant always understand the words. Not that it matters. Im a fan of Youssou NDour and Clannad and I wouldnt have a clue what they are signing about. I do like their music though.

Secondly, as has been pointed out in the oral sex thread, a lot of U2 songs can be interpreted to be about God or sex. Given the choice, I chose sex
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Secondly, as has been pointed out in the oral sex thread, a lot of U2 songs can be interpreted to be about God or sex. Given the choice, I chose sex
Me too! Maybe the Atheist Thread should be renamed "The People Who Would Rather Think About Sex Than God" thread.
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Me too! Maybe the Atheist Thread should be renamed "The People Who Would Rather Think About Sex Than God" thread.


We would have to make exceptions though, for people like Salomey who ..... hmm.... hangon..... we will have to ask him which he prefers thinking about
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Well isn't this just fucking hilarious.
Agnostics beliefs are inane.
People who like U2 and are athiest are hypocrites.

Fucking hilarious.

And they say Christians are persecuted and offended too often. My arse. Talk a mile long walk in someone else's shoes.

Or 1.6 kms if you're not a yank.

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Or 1.6 kms if you're not a yank.

Actually it's 1.6 kms even for us yanks, we just don't know it.
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