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Old 02-23-2007, 02:32 PM   #16
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No, but I don't see what the big deal is. What is she supposed to say that's so stupid? They people would think she is applying that to people who may learn at a slower pace and think their dumb?

Is it not her constitutional right to say that if she wanted, or are we now banning words like we do to some books, which I find ridiculous.

You're mixing up issues here. This is high school your freedom of speech is limited, you can't cuss, etc.

Why is "gay" being used as a derogative? There are two defintions that I know of neither would have been used correctly in this context.

Should we say "that is so mexican", or "that is so Justin", or "that is so straight" when meaning something is 'stupid' as you put it.
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You know what the problem is here in the US? It's peoples feelings and having a brigade of people telling you what you can and can't say anymore. If you say it then guess what you should know the consequences. And she did not target an indivdual.

America went from being a place were we value freedom to a dictator ship of organizations who feel words will break your bones instead of sticks and stones.
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You know what the problem is here in the US? It's peoples feelings and having a brigade of people telling you what you can and can't say anymore. If you say it then guess what you should know the consequences. And she did not target an indivdual.

America went from being a place were we value freedom to a dictator ship of organizations who feel words will break your bones instead of sticks and stones.
So ignorance and degradation should live strong in high school?

I'm not going to even address the rest of your post.
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So your saying yes it was wrong for her to say "That's so Gay?"

But your allowed to spew "Nigga" all over the high school campus?
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So your saying yes it was wrong for her to say "That's so Gay?"

But your allowed to spew "Nigga" all over the high school campus?
Where did you get that from? I never said anything about the word 'nigga'.
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That's really a difference between the US and Germany.

Here people are sometimes using words such as gay in a derogatory way. These people are usually around 16 years old, and grow out of it.
Of course it's not that it'S right, or good, to use these words in that context. But we would just telling them that it's stupid and wrong or we would


Never anyone would get suspended from school, or getting a letter telling them off.
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Well you haven't been to highschool in a long time then. I hear high school kids and some college kids talking like that when I am walking to my school after work.

You can't say what she said was wrong ( as I have said she did not say it to an individual) and allow nigga to be used freely.
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You can't say what she said was wrong ( as I have said she did not say it to an individual) and allow nigga to be used freely.
First of all the word 'nigga' is not the issue, secondly if it was is it being used as a derogotive?

Go back to the issue, and answer my first question.
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Is you first question why is Gay used as a derogative?

It's used to explain things as weird, stupid, boring.

So if Nigga is being used as a derogative by some in the african american community shouldn't they know? Shouldn't we stop rappers from using it in their lyrics? But then that would take away their free speech.

All I know is she should not be in trouble for this because she called the subject of discussion gay and not Tom, Tim or Joe.
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okay, so i have a weird time with this stuff.

i remember a year or so ago a friend of mine was finishing up his undergrad and was working on a group project at his house. i was over at the time, and someone said something to the effect of, "yo, what's up with all this gay-assesd weather?"

i mean, honestly, what does that mean? needless to say, it became a joke from then on in between myself and my friend. everything was "gay-assed" -- coffee, the news, socks, cell phones -- because it was so silly.

it's not hateful, but it is derogatory, and it makes you sound like a fucking fool to think that "gay" is a word that can be used in the pejorative.

however, i am fine with using "gay" to describe somethings. i'd call "Dreamgirls" gay, as well as "African-American." i'd call Drag Shows gay. i'd call many Westerns gay. i'd call nearly half the clothes in Banana Republic gay. gay is now a very clear cultural niche, and a straight person can wear gay, or see gay, or listen to gay, and not have it mean a thing about his sexuality.

so, to extend this, i would say that i did just buy a really gay pair of Pumas yesterday at DSW. wow, what a gay sentence. and i'm fine with that. because i'm acknowledging the stereotype/niche while i am fully aware that it's not all-encompassing, and that the non-gay can easily consume that which might be termed gay without much of a problem in the same way that i get tremendous (guilty) pleasure out of the new Beyonce single (which is also kind of gay).

so ... yes, if i were a middle school teacher and i heard someone using "gay" as interchangeable with "stupid" or, worse, "retarded," then i'd call him out on that. it's inappropriate, and it's less for the benefit of someone in the class who might have a gay uncle or lesbian mothers and more to make sure the kid doesn't walk around thinking that kid of language is acceptable and he makes an ass out of himself.

but it is slippery. when someone says "gay-assed shit," they don't mean gay as in homosexual, unless they're saying that "Moulin Rouge was a really gay-assed movie," which it kind of was, but then just how derogatory is that?

whatever. y'all can puzzle out this gay-assed shit yourselves.
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okay, so i have a weird time with this stuff.

i remember a year or so ago a friend of mine was finishing up his undergrad and was working on a group project at his house. i was over at the time, and someone said something to the effect of, "yo, what's up with all this gay-assesd weather?"

i mean, honestly, what does that mean? needless to say, it became a joke from then on in between myself and my friend. everything was "gay-assed" -- coffee, the news, socks, cell phones -- because it was so silly.

it's not hateful, but it is derogatory, and it makes you sound like a fucking fool to think that "gay" is a word that can be used in the pejorative.

however, i am fine with using "gay" to describe somethings. i'd call "Dreamgirls" gay, as well as "African-American." i'd call Drag Shows gay. i'd call many Westerns gay. i'd call nearly half the clothes in Banana Republic gay. gay is now a very clear cultural niche, and a straight person can wear gay, or see gay, or listen to gay, and not have it mean a thing about his sexuality.

so, to extend this, i would say that i did just buy a really gay pair of Pumas yesterday at DSW. wow, what a gay sentence. and i'm fine with that. because i'm acknowledging the stereotype/niche while i am fully aware that it's not all-encompassing, and that the non-gay can easily consume that which might be termed gay without much of a problem in the same way that i get tremendous (guilty) pleasure out of the new Beyonce single (which is also kind of gay).

so ... yes, if i were a middle school teacher and i heard someone using "gay" as interchangeable with "stupid" or, worse, "retarded," then i'd call him out on that. it's inappropriate, and it's less for the benefit of someone in the class who might have a gay uncle or lesbian mothers and more to make sure the kid doesn't walk around thinking that kid of language is acceptable and he makes an ass out of himself.

but it is slippery. when someone says "gay-assed shit," they don't mean gay as in homosexual, unless they're saying that "Moulin Rouge was a really gay-assed movie," which it kind of was, but then just how derogatory is that?

whatever. y'all can puzzle out this gay-assed shit yourselves.
LOL That was great.
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BVS is correct above, you have no freedom of speech in high school. You can't cuss, and they can make you wear uniforms or whatever if they want. Should she be in more trouble if she'd said "That's so fucking gay?"
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okay, so i have a weird time with this stuff.

i remember a year or so ago a friend of mine was finishing up his undergrad and was working on a group project at his house. i was over at the time, and someone said something to the effect of, "yo, what's up with all this gay-assesd weather?"

i mean, honestly, what does that mean? needless to say, it became a joke from then on in between myself and my friend. everything was "gay-assed" -- coffee, the news, socks, cell phones -- because it was so silly.

it's not hateful, but it is derogatory, and it makes you sound like a fucking fool to think that "gay" is a word that can be used in the pejorative.

however, i am fine with using "gay" to describe somethings. i'd call "Dreamgirls" gay, as well as "African-American." i'd call Drag Shows gay. i'd call many Westerns gay. i'd call nearly half the clothes in Banana Republic gay. gay is now a very clear cultural niche, and a straight person can wear gay, or see gay, or listen to gay, and not have it mean a thing about his sexuality.

so, to extend this, i would say that i did just buy a really gay pair of Pumas yesterday at DSW. wow, what a gay sentence. and i'm fine with that. because i'm acknowledging the stereotype/niche while i am fully aware that it's not all-encompassing, and that the non-gay can easily consume that which might be termed gay without much of a problem in the same way that i get tremendous (guilty) pleasure out of the new Beyonce single (which is also kind of gay).

so ... yes, if i were a middle school teacher and i heard someone using "gay" as interchangeable with "stupid" or, worse, "retarded," then i'd call him out on that. it's inappropriate, and it's less for the benefit of someone in the class who might have a gay uncle or lesbian mothers and more to make sure the kid doesn't walk around thinking that kid of language is acceptable and he makes an ass out of himself.

but it is slippery. when someone says "gay-assed shit," they don't mean gay as in homosexual, unless they're saying that "Moulin Rouge was a really gay-assed movie," which it kind of was, but then just how derogatory is that?

whatever. y'all can puzzle out this gay-assed shit yourselves.
Irvine, what's up with this gay-assed post?

Seriously, I loved it.
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Is saying that's so gay the same, better, or worse than saying that's so retarded? If it's worse, then I'd be in a heep of trouble.

Nevermind, apparently it is just as bad.
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