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Old 04-29-2004, 07:48 PM   #1
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"That was not heroism. It was prophetic idiocy."

http://www.boston.com/news/education...elled_soldier/

UMASS student paper responds to Tillman's death.

Shame on this student, and shame on the editor of the paper for printing it.
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Old 04-29-2004, 07:51 PM   #2
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i don't think the paper should have held back from printing the column, but i agree that this guy should be ashamed of himself. his comments disgust me.
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Old 04-29-2004, 07:56 PM   #3
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You can express an opinion about the war without publishing things like this. It targets one person as opposed to the issue. I think people have the right to express themselves, but to attack a person after they have died, is pretty low. If they attacked while he was alive he could have defended his decision and spoken for himself. I read an archived version of the article through goolge, because there is so much traffic to the website it won't load.....

[Q]I've been mystified at the absolute nonsense of being in "awe" of Tillman's "sacrifice" that has been the American response. Mystified, but not surprised. True, it's not everyday that you forgo a $3.6 million contract for joining the military. And, not just the regular army, but the elite Army Rangers. You know he was a real Rambo, who wanted to be in the "real" thick of things. I could tell he was that type of macho guy, from his scowling, beefy face on the CNN pictures. Well, he got his wish. Even Rambo got shot in the third movie, but in real life, you die as a result of being shot. They should call Pat Tillman's army life "Rambo 4: Rambo Attempts to Strike Back at His Former Rambo 3 Taliban Friends, and [/Q]

This is not freedom of speech....it is an assault on a dead man.
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Old 04-29-2004, 07:58 PM   #4
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[Q]Tillman, probably acting out his nationalist-patriotic fantasies forged in years of exposure to Clint Eastwood and Rambo movies, decided to insert himself into a conflict he didn't need to insert himself into.[/Q]
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Old 04-29-2004, 08:01 PM   #5
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i agree that it is the lowest of the low. but whether rene gonzales will ever admit it or not, pat tillman died for his freedom of speech too. if anything, this article shows us more about gonzales' character (or lack thereof) than anything else.
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It's a horrible attack and really no need for it, but it is freedom of speech, cowardly freedom of speech, but freedom of speech none the less.
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I am probably overreacting....I tend to defend freedom of speech, but I am not certain it is in this case...but I am probably just too fired up.
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This is absolutely disgusting. I also think it's freedom of speech. I mean, hell, as much as I despise the Ku Klux Klan, I think Klan meetings and web sites and such are freedom of speech. This is horrible stuff, too, but again, it's freedom of speech.
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That student has the right to freedom of speech.

So do we.

I choose to exercise my freedom of speech to call him or her an ass.

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I wonder if this guy realizes that the right he exercises freely was actually paid for by someone else.....
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I choose to exercise my freedom of speech to call him or her an ass.
ditto.

and nbc - i doubt it.
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I understand what he attempted to express and why he said it but I think it is quite childish to talk that way. Maybe this article sans all the sarcastic rambo comments could actually not be that bad. ...or maybe not.

All I wanted to say is I understand the guy who wrote it and where he's coming from. He simply had a bad - make that "terrible", choice of words.
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http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/04/30/tillman/index.html


"Army awards Tillman posthumous Silver Star"
Ex-NFL player died last week in Afghanistan
Friday, April 30, 2004 Posted: 8:54 PM EDT (0054 GMT)


"(CNN) -- A Silver Star has been awarded posthumously to Cpl. Pat Tillman, the former football player who died last week after returning to an ambush to save the remainder of his platoon, Army Special Operations Command said Friday."

"Tillman was killed while performing his duty "without regard to his personal safety," the Army said in a statement."

"Even though his element was out of the area that had come under fire, Tillman "ordered his team to dismount and maneuvered his team up a hill toward the enemy's location," the Army said."

"During the battle, he issued "fire commands to take the fight to the enemy on the dominating high ground," the statement continued."

""Only after his team engaged the well-armed enemy did it appear their fires diminished.""

"Because of Tillman's leadership and his team's efforts, the trail section under fire "was able to maneuver through the ambush to positions of safety without a single casualty," the Army said."
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I don't think it's overreacting at all. I don't care what he thinks about the war, he has NO BUSINESS saying things like that. I have the utmost admiration and respect for Pat Tillman and all the others who have died and those who are still over there.

I think that graduate student has MANY things to learn
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