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Old 06-07-2007, 08:36 PM   #46
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This is what they say
and what Indy meant (I believe)

but, is it true?

Was 9/11/01 the last time?
Am I missing something?
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So 5 Americans killed on American soil in October 2001 is not an attack on America after 9/11/2001?
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When Cheney slips and says we have not been attacked on American soil by the enemy since 9/11.

It reveals something.
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So 5 Americans killed on American soil in October 2001 is not an attack on America after 9/11/2001?
What's that? The anthrax attacks? Has anyone taken credit for that?
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Raise your hand if you don’t believe in evolution?
or

(Raise your hand if you are "stupid", and you know it?")
Excuse me?

Are you implying that if you dont buy into evolution that you are stupid? I have to very much disagree with you.
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What's that? The anthrax attacks? Has anyone taken credit for that?




Aren't we supposed to believe they were done by Islamo Terrorists?

or does Cheney know something?
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Well, depends on who you ask or want to believe, but at best I think Christians and Jews (as dhimmis) would be ghettoized, and at worst, asked to convert at the point of a sword.
Historically, this completely depended on who the ruler was. For example, Moorish Spain, for the most part, was an enclave for Jews, who fared better there than in Christian Europe, where they were outright hated. However, there were certain rulers who were much more intolerant and insisted on forced conversions, so there were a few occasions when the Christians (known then as "Mozarabs") would flee north to the relatively stable Kingdom of Asturias. But equally interestingly, if a newly tolerant leader emerged, many Mozarabs would also migrate back.

A lot of this, I imagine, would have to do with the fact that the Moors did not upset the old Visigothic order all that much, as the Visigothic lords would often able to maintain their lands. Where the Moors ultimately ended up upsetting the old order, though, was how Christian slaves of the time could gain their freedom by converting to Islam.

After the end of the Reconquista in 1492, when Spain became fully Christian again, all the Jews and Muslims were forcibly converted or expelled, so even considering the fact that Jews and Christians were subject to dhimmi status, they were considerably treated better than Christian attitudes towards minority religions during this same historical period.

Of course, history is always full of irony, as Christians are now more tolerant of minority beliefs than that of Muslim nations.
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Excuse me?

Are you implying that if you dont buy into evolution that you are stupid? I have to very much disagree with you.
Different thread, but if a creationist is not stupid then their critical eye is unidirectional.
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If Bin Laden, al Queda hates America and President Bush is the leader.

Then why do they want to kill the Democratic Leader of the Senate and the Democratic Chair of the Judicial Appointments Committee in October 2001?

These two people were at the top of Cheney and the conservatives "hit list".




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Those are foreign people who don't count. Duh.
The Bush/McCain/Kennedy immigration bill says 'Hi!'

Along with the countless countries that America has invested capital in for decades, not to mention our biggest trading partner, Canada.
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Well, depends on who you ask or want to believe, but at best I think Christians and Jews (as dhimmis) would be ghettoized, and at worst, asked to convert at the point of a sword.


and the gays would be beheaded.
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Excuse me?

Are you implying that if you dont buy into evolution that you are stupid? I have to very much disagree with you.


how about willfully, intentionally ignorant?
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Historically, this completely depended on who the ruler was. For example, Moorish Spain, for the most part, was an enclave for Jews, who fared better there than in Christian Europe, where they were outright hated. However, there were certain rulers who were much more intolerant and insisted on forced conversions, so there were a few occasions when the Christians (known then as "Mozarabs") would flee north to the relatively stable Kingdom of Asturias. But equally interestingly, if a newly tolerant leader emerged, many Mozarabs would also migrate back.

A lot of this, I imagine, would have to do with the fact that the Moors did not upset the old Visigothic order all that much, as the Visigothic lords would often able to maintain their lands. Where the Moors ultimately ended up upsetting the old order, though, was how Christian slaves of the time could gain their freedom by converting to Islam.

After the end of the Reconquista in 1492, when Spain became fully Christian again, all the Jews and Muslims were forcibly converted or expelled, so even considering the fact that Jews and Christians were subject to dhimmi status, they were considerably treated better than Christian attitudes towards minority religions during this same historical period.

Of course, history is always full of irony, as Christians are now more tolerant of minority beliefs than that of Muslim nations.
Interesting.
Some of that has to do with the classical relationship between Islam and non-Muslims within the sphere of jihad. You can be classified as "at war", "at truce", or "under submission."
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how about willfully, intentionally ignorant?
Give me a break.

*sigh*

I disagree with most people in FYM more and more everyday. I can't watch Keith Olbermann before I go to bed because it gets my BP going, and I'm starting to feel the same about this forum.
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and the gays would be beheaded.
Hey, thats unfair and Islamophobic - they get walls collapsed on them in the proper humane fashion.
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