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Old 05-29-2006, 09:55 AM   #16
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500 Boylston is where I used to park every day when I worked at the Ritz. We had a $10 a day parking agreement.

Thanks for your help people. Sharky, your scripture ideas have me thinking.

Somewhere up the street is a bar...close to the park across from the Rattlesnake.....I drank so much they gave me a mug with my name on it hanging at the bar..... I cannot think of the name of the place....it will come to me....

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[Q]In preparing for this sermon someone said to me the difference between someone with AIDS and a natural disaster is people with AIDS did something to bring it upon themselves while the people suffering from the natural disaster did not. What a perception to have? Could we agree that Jesus provided a model for us to follow? My image of Jesus from the scripture is not one in which the sinner, the unclean, the diseased approach him and Jesus says, “Now before I decide to help you, exactly what choices did you make to bring this upon yourself?” Being a sinner myself, I am thankful this is not the Jesus I know. Jesus, who does have the power to judge, says this in the Gospel of Luke:

Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:

When we sit and worry about the how someone gets the disease we are putting ourselves in a seat of judgement and the gospel is very clear what happens when we put ourselves in that seat. Jesus also mentions in the same sermon about removing the log from our own eye so that we are fit to help our neighbor. So today let’s remove the log of stigma and look at the reality of this disease.
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Dread -- sounds good so far! It also reminds me of my favorite scripture: John 3:16-17. Everyone knows John 3:16 but it's 3:17 that's more interesting. "Indeed, God did not send His son into the world to judge it, but to save it." Since we're trying to live the life of Jesus, we cannot be judges of others.

I do think though that there may be many people who feel this way but perhaps don't say it. So you may want to put that later in your talk -- build up to it with other passages, with the information about the suffering there. The fact that innocent children have this disease or acquire it to through rape, through no choice of their own. That may be a good building block for what you wrote, which is great!
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[Q]In preparing for this sermon someone said to me the difference between someone with AIDS and a natural disaster is people with AIDS did something to bring it upon themselves while the people suffering from the natural disaster did not. What a perception to have? Could we agree that Jesus provided a model for us to follow? My image of Jesus from the scripture is not one in which the sinner, the unclean, the diseased approach him and Jesus says, “Now before I decide to help you, exactly what choices did you make to bring this upon yourself?” Being a sinner myself, I am thankful this is not the Jesus I know. Jesus, who does have the power to judge, says this in the Gospel of Luke:

Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:

When we sit and worry about the how someone gets the disease we are putting ourselves in a seat of judgement and the gospel is very clear what happens when we put ourselves in that seat. Jesus also mentions in the same sermon about removing the log from our own eye so that we are fit to help our neighbor. So today let’s remove the log of stigma and look at the reality of this disease.
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True dat!

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Old 05-30-2006, 11:03 AM   #20
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I will post updates in my journal with a new copy of where I am editing. Any and all advice will be appreciated.

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That's awesome, beautifully stated

Pretty damn good for someone with his head up his ass
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Dread,

First of all, let me congratulate you on your efforts, both with the high school group and with the congregation as a whole. Writing a sermon is no easy task. When handling something as important as God's Word, you don't want to get it wrong, or treat it lightly.

I like what you've presented in your journal.

The analogy between stigma and the log in the eye is beautiful. If your aim is to cause the congregation to eliminate the stigma, I'd emphasize the passage so people identify with the stigma in their own eye.

Also, take a look at John 9:1-3. People are ready to dismiss affliction as a result of sin. The blind man was placed before the people so that God may be glorified. They did not get an answer to their question and moved on - they stopped and action was taken.

It seems that the goal with the congregation is to take action to glorify God. Caring of the sick, the poor, the dying is not to glorify self, but to glorify God.

Excellent work my friend
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[Q]Also, take a look at John 9:1-3. People are ready to dismiss affliction as a result of sin. The blind man was placed before the people so that God may be glorified. They did not get an answer to their question and moved on - they stopped and action was taken.[/Q]

I will check into this...thank you.

I appreciate everyones input.

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Dread, I share similar frustrations. A year or so ago when I was explaining to my Grandpa that I was going to Africa and yadda yadda, he would say things like "well, there's a reason they have AIDS and we don't", etc. It surprised him when I informed him that in fact the highest rates of HIV transmission in Africa are heterosexual women, most of them married!

Also, probably not something appropriate for a sermon, but once a professor said to our Politics of AIDS in Africa class that if the choice was between her daughter dying of starvation and prostituting herself, you damn well better believe she'd be prostituting!

Stigma exists because people don't know and don't understand the real reason, so in their minds they have to make up a reason, something that doesn't threaten THEM. When I look someone in the eye and say "Hey Sarah, what if you had no money and no job and breastfeeding was the ONLY way to keep your baby alive? You still think many Africans of our generation deserved AIDS, simply because their mothers had no other choice than to risk horizontal or vertical transmission? Yeah, that's right....look me in the eye and tell me 'they deserve what they got' "
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don't know if anyone else is watching it, but if you're not, you should -- the PBS Frontline (with Bono) on AIDS that's on tonight and tomorrow is *superb* so far, and, Dread, i'm certain you'll be able to purchase the show fairly soon. it might be a great way to expand people's understanding of the disease, how the stigma makes the epidemic worse, and putting visuals to facts is an amazing way to generate empathy. you'll see vivid footage of gay men (and Haitians, and IV drug users) who are entirely sympathetic, and it drives home the point that it doesn't matter how you got the disease, it only matters that you have the disease.

there's also a good HBO movie that came out about 10 years or so called, "And the Band Played On," which was an adaptation of the book of the same name by Randy Shilts. it's sort of considered the first authoritative text on the beginnings of AIDS.
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don't know if anyone else is watching it, but if you're not, you should -- the PBS Frontline (with Bono) on AIDS that's on tonight and tomorrow is *superb* so far, and, Dread, i'm certain you'll be able to purchase the show fairly soon.
It just started in the Central Time Zone...
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