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Old 07-13-2005, 06:04 AM   #1
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Terrorism 'experts' get it wrong. Again.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/st...526379,00.html

According to this article by Gary Younge in The Guardian yesterday, in the aftermath of the London bombings last week, sections of the US news media have been awash with talk of how apparently London is awash with extremist Islamists preaching hate, the UK has itself to blame for having overly lax immigration laws and not cracking down on immigration, etc.

Wrong on both counts:-

(1) The bombers were UK borne and bred, lax immigration laws have nothing to do with it.

(2) The bombers weren't even from London.

So much for solidarity, one wonders if these analysts and self-styled terrorism 'experts' were lobbying the Irish American community to stop funding the IRA's terror campaign in the 1980's, one wonders whether they asked the CIA to investigate the prominent Wall Street financier who bankrolled the Taliban in the same decade (no, not a wacky conspiracy theory, read the book 'Barbarians at the Gate' by two of Wall Street's best financial journalists).

If they were not, then there is only two words for these so called experts:

Hypocrites and Amateurs.
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Re: Terrorism 'experts' get it wrong. Again.

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Wrong on both counts:-



(2) The bombers weren't even from London.

They were from north of London, real big difference.
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I don't know anything about London. What does being from north of London mean besides geography?
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No difference at all. Sarcasm doesn't translate well on the world of message boards.
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Randhail, I don't know where you are getting your info from, any news source I have seen says three were from Leeds and one from Yorkshire, neither of which is particularly close to London!

http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0...386135,00.html
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And "lax immigration laws" could have lead to those who teach hate moving in, rather than the actual bombers moving in.
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I agree with nbcrusader
The ideas can come from elsewhere
and the ones with the ideas could use locals to carry out their missions
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Re: Terrorism 'experts' get it wrong. Again.

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Originally posted by financeguy
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/st...526379,00.html

According to this article by Gary Younge in The Guardian yesterday, in the aftermath of the London bombings last week, sections of the US news media have been awash with talk of how apparently London is awash with extremist Islamists preaching hate, the UK has itself to blame for having overly lax immigration laws and not cracking down on immigration, etc.

Wrong on both counts:-

(1) The bombers were UK borne and bred, lax immigration laws have nothing to do with it.

(2) The bombers weren't even from London.

So much for solidarity, one wonders if these analysts and self-styled terrorism 'experts' were lobbying the Irish American community to stop funding the IRA's terror campaign in the 1980's, one wonders whether they asked the CIA to investigate the prominent Wall Street financier who bankrolled the Taliban in the same decade (no, not a wacky conspiracy theory, read the book 'Barbarians at the Gate' by two of Wall Street's best financial journalists).

If they were not, then there is only two words for these so called experts:

Hypocrites and Amateurs.
.....for your information, the Taliban did not exist in the 1980s.
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served!

sorry not proper FYM form was that?
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".....for your information, the Taliban did not exist in the 1980s."

It did, it was just called the Mujahedeen back then.
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".....for your information, the Taliban did not exist in the 1980s."

It did, it was just called the Mujahedeen back then.
No, the Mujahedeen was not the taliban. The Taliban were formed partly from schools in Pakistan in the mid-1990s. The Northern Alliance that fought the Taliban are the descendents of the Mujahedeen from the 1980s.
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Actually, nevermind, we've had this discussion several times previously, it's not worth rehashing again.
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Originally posted by financeguy
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/st...526379,00.html

According to this article by Gary Younge in The Guardian yesterday, in the aftermath of the London bombings last week, sections of the US news media have been awash with talk of how apparently London is awash with extremist Islamists preaching hate, the UK has itself to blame for having overly lax immigration laws and not cracking down on immigration, etc.

Wrong on both counts:-

(1) The bombers were UK borne and bred, lax immigration laws have nothing to do with it.

(2) The bombers weren't even from London.


That's a minor detail... on the whole, the press tend not to let accuracy get in the way of sensationalist reporting. Sad but true.

Btw, if you look closely, randhail said north OF London; ie further north in the country, not in North London itself.

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If they were not, then there is only two words for these so called experts:

Hypocrites and Amateurs.
Experts, my arse. More like idiots who should learn the facts and report responsibly without attempting to cause as much hysteria. and promote as much hatred, as possible. Those particular idiots are merely twisting the facts to suit their political beliefs.
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- the US militarized the mujahideen/taliban (which osama was a part of)

- the Muslims of London overwhelmingly condemned the attacks... but the media spreads fucking controversy by not showing that because its not interesting enough
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- the US militarized the mujahideen/taliban (which osama was a part of)

- the Muslims of London overwhelmingly condemned the attacks... but the media spreads fucking controversy by not showing that because its not interesting enough
The Mujahideen existed in the 1970s and 1980s. The Taliban were not formed until the mid 1990s and were enemies of what remained of the Mujahideen which had formed the Northern Alliance.
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