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Old 01-14-2006, 02:04 AM   #61
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How is life in prison any better?
You let them live with their sin, and let God decide what happens.
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Old 01-14-2006, 02:09 AM   #62
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Question Bonovox, What made you so Anti-death penalty???
First and foremost, humans are by definition fallible, therefore not every person sentenced to death is guilty.

Beyond that, just the teachings of Christ to forgive your enemies.

Now let me ask you a question. Back on the topic of this thread. Should every crime be punished by an equal action, i.e. you beat therefore I beat you?
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But then would you whine about cruel and unusual punishment? Oh poor criminial is in jail, He is being "Tortured" by his feeling, I think he may kill him self
I could have sworn it was in one of the Books, Muslim, Christian or Jewish, where we were allowed to kill a murderer who killed an innocent, but thats getting off topic.
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If I am arrested by for beating the shit out of someone then I deserve it. I mean if all you were arrested for was starting a fight. Instead of serving jail, you should get wailed on for 2 min.
So this is a christian thing. You do know people have different belifes in punishment.

Then if you believe in forgiveness, then by god I think you should start spreading the word. Go hug a fellow inmate let them free, all the rapist, molesters, robbers, Murderers out and say you have been forgiven, because God told me to.
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But then would you whine about cruel and unusual punishment? Oh poor criminial is in jail, He is being "Tortured" by his feeling, I think he may kill him self
Emotion doesn't fall under that definition. If it did, many could sue about life in general.

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I could have sworn it was in one of the Books, Muslim, Christian or Jewish, where we were allowed to kill a murderer who killed an innocent, but thats getting off topic.
Yes many religions may justify an eye for an eye. And many don't.
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Criminals are still human. You haven't been to CA over at San Quinten where thousands of people hold signs wishing and praying that he or she recieves Clemency. But you dont see thousand of people crying and being there for the victims family.
You seem to have a difficulty differentiating two things. Rarely are people actually demonstrating in open support of the criminal. They're demonstrating against the death penalty itself (removed from who's being executed) as they don't believe any person's life should be taken - regardless of whether the killing is deemed legal or illegal by the state.

And go to any legal proceeding and you'll see plenty of support for victims. I don't know where you got this funny idea that people are supporting criminals and not supporting victims.
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If I am arrested by for beating the shit out of someone then I deserve it. I mean if all you were arrested for was starting a fight. Instead of serving jail, you should get wailed on for 2 min.
So this is a christian thing. You do know people have different belifes in punishment.

Then if you believe in forgiveness, then by god I think you should start spreading the word. Go hug a fellow inmate let them free, all the rapist, molesters, robbers, Murderers out and say you have been forgiven, because God told me to.
Your post just doesn't make sense. Why is beating someone a Christian thing? And why would anyone be releasing convicted rapists, molesters, et cetera?
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Really, then why were thousand of people screaming free Tookie Williams. You know he killed a 7-11 clerk point blank to the head and laughed about it to his friends. He also killed a family of three who were working at a motel and robbed them and made racist remarks and laughed about it.
Oh and the reason people wanted him alive is because he writes childrens books now. How sweet.
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Beyond that, just the teachings of Christ to forgive your enemies
Thats why it's a christian thing. And the whole beating because is a christian thing, I think you have that out context.
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If I am arrested by for beating the shit out of someone then I deserve it. I mean if all you were arrested for was starting a fight. Instead of serving jail, you should get wailed on for 2 min.
So this is a christian thing. You do know people have different belifes in punishment.
What are you talking about? Seriously?!

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Then if you believe in forgiveness, then by god I think you should start spreading the word. Go hug a fellow inmate let them free, all the rapist, molesters, robbers, Murderers out and say you have been forgiven, because God told me to.
Forgiveness doesn't mean free from justice. Forgiveness means you allow yourself to forgive this person of what they've done and hope they can rehabilitate, be it in jail, rehab, or whatever they need.
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Whoa, buddy. I don't think I ever said what my religious beliefs were.

And the fact that you said this "the reason people wanted him alive is because he writes childrens books now" shows you didn't even read my own statement about how I feel about impartial human rights. Why do you feel some deserve certain rights but others don't?
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Really, then why were thousand of people screaming free Tookie Williams.
I don't know, I wasn't one of them.
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Thats why it's a christian thing. And the whole beating because is a christian thing, I think you have that out context.
You make no sense.
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Really, then why were thousand of people screaming free Tookie Williams. You know he killed a 7-11 clerk point blank to the head and laughed about it to his friends. He also killed a family of three who were working at a motel and robbed them and made racist remarks and laughed about it.
Oh and the reason people wanted him alive is because he writes childrens books now. How sweet.
OK, firstly, up until the time of Tookie's death, people were disputing his guilt. Secondly, you have no grasp on why people did not want him executed. If you think it was just because of the children's books he wrote, you have no grasp on the situation. Thirdly, you have not disproved my statement; rather, you have done the opposite, as I said "Rarely are people actually demonstrating in open support of the criminal" and you just showed one of those situations where people do demonstrate in support of the criminal.

But if you take time to open your eyes, you will notice the people who are consistently out protesting at executions aren't there because they support each specific criminal, but because they oppose the death penalty and will protest any and every use of it.
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Thats why it's a christian thing. And the whole beating because is a christian thing, I think you have that out context.
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Could you please try to make sense and explain how beating and Christianity are connected?
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