Ted Turner - Men Should Be Barred From Public Office For 100 Years - U2 Feedback

Go Back   U2 Feedback > Lypton Village > Free Your Mind > Free Your Mind Archive
Click Here to Login
 
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
Old 09-20-2006, 09:56 AM   #1
Blue Crack Addict
 
MrsSpringsteen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Posts: 24,994
Local Time: 05:21 AM
Ted Turner - Men Should Be Barred From Public Office For 100 Years

http://www.editorandpublisher.com/ea..._id=1003124692

"When asked about the possibility that the next U.N. secretary general might be a woman, Turner went a step further, advocating that men should be barred from public office for a hundred years in every part of the world.

As for women: "If we had women holding all the public offices, the amount of money on the military would be immediately cut way back and more would be spent on healthcare and education," Turner said. "There wouldn't be lack of family planning or birth control if the women ran things."



Generalization, and of course there are women who wouldn't be like that and men who are less "hawkish", but I often do wonder how different the world could be if women were truly in charge of it on that level. We really are in charge of it in so many ways, it's just that men don't want to face that fact
__________________

__________________
MrsSpringsteen is offline  
Old 09-20-2006, 11:34 AM   #2
Blue Crack Addict
 
verte76's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: hoping for changes
Posts: 23,331
Local Time: 10:21 AM
It would be interesting to see what happened if women did hold all of the political offices.
__________________

__________________
verte76 is offline  
Old 09-20-2006, 11:37 AM   #3
Rock n' Roll Doggie
Band-aid
 
Macfistowannabe's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Ohio
Posts: 4,129
Local Time: 06:21 AM


Ah, a self-loathing man condemning all men.
__________________
Macfistowannabe is offline  
Old 09-20-2006, 11:38 AM   #4
Rock n' Roll Doggie
Band-aid
 
Macfistowannabe's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Ohio
Posts: 4,129
Local Time: 06:21 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by verte76
It would be interesting to see what happened if women did hold all of the political offices.
Nancy Grace for President?

I'm not sure that it would make us that much less hawkish. Maybe a little bit.
__________________
Macfistowannabe is offline  
Old 09-20-2006, 11:42 AM   #5
Rock n' Roll Doggie
Band-aid
 
Macfistowannabe's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Ohio
Posts: 4,129
Local Time: 06:21 AM
Re: Ted Turner - Men Should Be Barred From Public Office For 100 Years

Quote:
Originally posted by MrsSpringsteen
We really are in charge of it in so many ways, it's just that men don't want to face that fact
Perfect example: sexual intimacy.
__________________
Macfistowannabe is offline  
Old 09-20-2006, 11:52 AM   #6
Rock n' Roll Doggie
Band-aid
 
ladywithspinninghead's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2000
Location: Toronto, Canada
Posts: 4,634
Local Time: 05:21 AM
Ah, sure would be an interesting experiment!

But then that expression "absolute power corrupts absolutely" comes to mind - I don't think we'd be willing to relinquish power to the men after our 100 years was up!
__________________
ladywithspinninghead is offline  
Old 09-20-2006, 11:54 AM   #7
Blue Crack Addict
 
MrsSpringsteen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Posts: 24,994
Local Time: 05:21 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Macfistowannabe

Ah, a self-loathing man condemning all men.
So because he thinks women would make better leaders than men he's self loathing and condemning all men? Or because he "dares" to publicly state such a "revolutionary" idea? He's betraying the sanctity of manhood, isn't he?

And no, it has absolutely nothing to do with sexual intimacy.
__________________
MrsSpringsteen is offline  
Old 09-20-2006, 11:59 AM   #8
Rock n' Roll Doggie
Band-aid
 
Macfistowannabe's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Ohio
Posts: 4,129
Local Time: 06:21 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by MrsSpringsteen


So because he thinks women would make better leaders than men he's self loathing and condemning all men? Or because he "dares" to publicly state such a "revolutionary" idea? He's betraying the sanctity of manhood, isn't he?

And no, it has absolutely nothing to do with sexual intimacy.
You admitted in the original post that it was an outrageous generalization. He's not betraying "the sanctity of manhood", but at the same time, he's also not promoting gender equality. The sexual intimacy comment was a tongue in cheek example of how, like your comment suggests, men don't like to admit when women are in conrol.
__________________
Macfistowannabe is offline  
Old 09-20-2006, 12:02 PM   #9
Blue Crack Addict
 
MrsSpringsteen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Posts: 24,994
Local Time: 05:21 AM
I never said it was an outrageous generalization.

Why do you consider it self loathing for a man to say something like that? I think that's an important question.

He's not promoting gender equality? Yes he's not, only because even if women took over for 100 years it's a drop in the bucket compared to how long men have been in charge.
__________________
MrsSpringsteen is offline  
Old 09-20-2006, 12:02 PM   #10
Blue Crack Addict
 
Liesje's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: In the dog house
Posts: 19,557
Local Time: 05:21 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by Macfistowannabe
You admitted in the original post that it was an outrageous generalization. He's not betraying "the sanctity of manhood", but at the same time, he's also not promoting gender equality.
Yes, because history up until this point has been such a balanced state of gender equality.....
__________________
Liesje is offline  
Old 09-20-2006, 12:20 PM   #11
Rock n' Roll Doggie
Band-aid
 
Macfistowannabe's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Ohio
Posts: 4,129
Local Time: 06:21 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by MrsSpringsteen
I never said it was an outrageous generalization.
Okay, but it was a wee-bit over the top. There are good generalizations, like "those who live by the sword die by the sword", that help you understand the world better. There are also the outrageous generalizations, and I'm not sure how Ted's can be a "good" one.

Quote:
Why do you consider it self loathing for a man to say something like that? I think that's an important question.
Would you consider a woman self-loathing if she said that women don't belong in office anywhere?

It is self-loathing.

Quote:
He's not promoting gender equality? Yes he's not, only because even if women took over for 100 years it's a drop in the bucket compared to how long men have been in charge.
In charge of office, yes, but what does that say to the good men who are in office, besides your gender is a curse?
__________________
Macfistowannabe is offline  
Old 09-20-2006, 12:26 PM   #12
Blue Crack Addict
 
anitram's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: NY
Posts: 16,297
Local Time: 05:21 AM
I'm not sure I have time to run the world, what with my cooking and cleaning and all.

I love when men start screaming about gender inequality because in the last couple of decades there has been a move in the opposite direction. As opposed to thousands of years of suppression! Hilarious.
__________________
anitram is offline  
Old 09-20-2006, 12:28 PM   #13
Rock n' Roll Doggie
Band-aid
 
Macfistowannabe's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Ohio
Posts: 4,129
Local Time: 06:21 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by anitram
I'm not sure I have time to run the world, what with my cooking and cleaning and all.

I love when men start screaming about gender inequality because in the last couple of decades there has been a move in the opposite direction. As opposed to thousands of years of suppression! Hilarious.
Who's "screaming" about it?

It's a discussion, not a shouting match.
__________________
Macfistowannabe is offline  
Old 09-20-2006, 12:30 PM   #14
BVS
Blue Crack Supplier
 
BVS's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: between my head and heart
Posts: 40,697
Local Time: 04:21 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by Macfistowannabe
Nancy Grace for President?

I'm not sure that it would make us that much less hawkish. Maybe a little bit.
Do you always have to find the extreme in order to dismiss the idea?
__________________
BVS is offline  
Old 09-20-2006, 12:31 PM   #15
Blue Crack Addict
 
MrsSpringsteen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Posts: 24,994
Local Time: 05:21 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by Macfistowannabe
Okay, but it was a wee-bit over the top. There are good generalizations, like "those who live by the sword die by the sword", that help you understand the world better. There are also the outrageous generalizations, and I'm not sure how Ted's can be a "good" one.

Would you consider a woman self-loathing if she said that women don't belong in office anywhere?

It is self-loathing.

In charge of office, yes, but what does that say to the good men who are in office, besides your gender is a curse?
No, you were changing what I said to fit your own opinion- I never said outrageous so you shouldn't have said that I did. You think it is outrageous.

You're being a tad melodramatic, I think the point Ted is trying to make is that many men are screwing things up so royally that perhaps some changes should be made. It's his style to speak in hyperbole, but the underlying message is there and is valid in my opinion. He's hardly saying that being a male is a curse, and I don't know where you get that from

It is not self loathing for a man to express those sentiments, or to promote women as leaders. His statement is a good one because it forces us all to take a good hard look at our attitudes and our leaders, and I for one think it's good for any man to think critically about all of that and to not be threatened in any way by women in leadership positions. I think it's self loathing for a man to be sexist.
__________________

__________________
MrsSpringsteen is offline  
 

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 05:21 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Design, images and all things inclusive copyright © Interference.com