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Old 09-20-2006, 05:06 PM   #31
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I've been wondering that for the last few days. How young men get so charged up with negative, racist, fearful ideas before they're even 25 years old.

You left out sexist. It's all womens' fault anyway, Dr. Laura told me that yesterday when I called her about FYM.

I shake my head and wonder what the heck I'm doing here, seriously.
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Old 09-20-2006, 06:05 PM   #32
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It's a bit reminescent of Christine de Pizan, the first professional woman writer, who didn't try to argue that women were equal to men, but rather, emphasized what accomplishments women were able to make.
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It is absolutely adorable when some people get flustered and defensive about a fantasy. It is so endearing to see the attack dogs performing psychological analysis on someone who challenges their sense of order of things. Such outrage at imaginary marginaliization when for so many women it has been a reality. It doesn't take much to threaten you, poor babies. Just a little bit of play.

Men have fucked up as well has having done great and marvelous things. And I assume we will fuck up as well as doing great and marvelous things if we had the chance. We'd probably just do it differently. The question the fantasy poses is how women would do things differently and what benefit that would be to society.

On a whole, women respect the contributions of men to society a whole lot more than men do women's. I can live with most of that although it would be nice to see a little change there. What is infuriating is the real invalidation implied in Macfist's assumption that a man must be utterly self-loathing to appreciate in his head what a woman- run world might be like. A little like the imaginary invalidation he felt by the fantasy scenario but on a grander scale.

I don't make assumptions. We're fundamentally untried at the almost total power men have had since the beginning of time, although we've had important women leaders and considerable background influence. I'm just curious what other people think that some women will bring to the table that some men cannot. You know thinking about another scenario isn't such a dangerous thing, is it, when the chance of what Turner is tongue-in-cheek suggesting is nil?

It doesn't hurt to play outside the playpen now and again. We're not a threat to you. Yet.
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It is absolutely adorable when some people get flustered and defensive about a fantasy. It is so endearing to see the attack dogs performing psychological analysis on someone who challenges their sense of order of things. Such outrage at imaginary marginaliization when for so many women it has been a reality. It doesn't take much to threaten you, poor babies. Just a little bit of play.


What is infuriating is the real invalidation implied in Macfist's assumption that a man must be utterly self-loathing to appreciate in his head what a woman- run world might be like. A little like the imaginary invalidation he felt by the fantasy scenario but on a grander scale.

Amen

It's just a real shame that there are so few men here who seem to get that. And sometimes just the silence is deafening.
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Just so long as it's not Ann Coulter and Dr. Laura running things. We'd be right where we are now (or worse!).
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Macfistowannabe, do you seriously think Ted Turner is suggesting men be banned from government for real? Silly me, I just thought he was making a bold statement to make a point.
This isn't the first time he's ever advocated a bad idea. And it isn't the first time that left-wing extremists have endorsed an idea just because it's provocative and dumb.

As for Ted and his useful idiots, go ahead and paint us as a bunch of chauvanists who, in your distorted view of reality, hate gender equality. And make sure you use as much dictatorship as possible.



Let's open our ears for our beloved Ted Turner on...

Anti-Americanism:
"The United States has got some of the dumbest people in the world. I want you to know that we know that."

Sympathy for the Devil:
When Ted Turner went to North Korea, in the tradition of Walter Duranty, he painted a rosey picture of one of the most brutal dictatorships of our time.

"I saw a lot of people over there, they were thin and they were riding bicycles instead of driving in cars, but I didn't see any brutality."

I suppose there's a slim chance that Kim Jong Il doesn't have a fetish for sado-masochism.

Playing the Victim of the Media:
"I feel like the Jewish people in Germany in 1942. I know exactly what it is to be rounded up and sent to the East somewhere. Resettled."

Religious "Tolerance":
"I'd rather go to hell. Heaven has got to be boring."

"What are you, a bunch of Jesus freaks? You ought to be working for Fox."

"Christianity is a religion for losers."

Fidel Castro:
"One hell of a guy."


But let's forget all of that, and imagine that he knows what he's talking about this time.

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Do you even read people's responses? I'm getting the impression you don't.
Yes, I do.

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Did you not see the response which you quoted was saying the language was hyperbole?
Why should I have to believe it is? And even if it is, it's rather idiotic nonetheless.
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I heard he has a diabolical plan to wipe all men off the face of the earth

Actually right now that sounds great, I'll save James Spader and Bruce and U2
Better ask questions before you shoot.
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This isn't the first time he's ever advocated a bad idea. And it isn't the first time that left-wing extremists have endorsed an idea just because it's provocative and dumb.

As for Ted and his useful idiots, go ahead and paint us as a bunch of chauvanists who, in your distorted view of reality, hate gender equality. And make sure you use as much dictatorship as possible.
You're still missing the point, and this thread has nothing to do with his views on religion or any other topic. All that proves is that you can Google in order to try to discredit Ted Turner I don't endorse or agree with all his views either.

I'm not a left wing extremist, just a woman with a pretty decent brain who has been around long enough to know and experience chauvinism and what it is, and it's my reality-not a distorted one. And the fact that I think Ted Turner makes a valid point in the original point of this thread doesn't make me a "useful idiot" either.
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And even if it is, it's rather idiotic nonetheless.
Even if it was? Idiotic would be to take it literally.
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I don't endorse or agree with all his views either.
So now we're getting somewhere.

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I'm not a left wing extremist, just a woman with a pretty decent brain who has been around long enough to know and experience chauvinism and what it is, and it's my reality-not a distorted one. And the fact that I think Ted Turner makes a valid point in the original point of this thread doesn't make me a "useful idiot" either.
I know you are a bright person, I've read your posts for years, and while I don't agree with them all the time, usually there is logic behind them. But perhaps we could use a definition for chauvinism.

Is it...
Opening doors for women?
Celebrating gender diversity?
Admiring mothers who spend most of their time with their kids?

There are REAL forms of chauvinism that still exist in society that have nothing to do with the examples of "chauvinism" that I gave. I agree. You don't have to paint the picture that I - or any other evil conservative doesn't recognize that, or in it's extremity - that we advocate it. But to suggest compulsive ideas, even figuratively, for society to achieve their good intentions, as Turner does, is where I roll my eyes.

What we can do as a society is create an environment that is career-friendly for women, without dwelling on past wrongs. I believe that is achievable, and that I will see it in my lifetime at large, and in fact, I have seen much of this in my lifetime. We should admire the women who have obtained positions in leadership. But should we have to degrade the opposite sex in order to level the playing field? It would have more appeal if we didn't have to dwell on negative thoughts on the opposite gender and so forth.

That is what I am getting at.
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And it isn't the first time that left-wing extremists have endorsed an idea just because it's provocative and dumb.

It's shit like this...
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Read his other thread. He's into literal interpretations these days.
I'm into both. Notice how I celebrated Melon's comment.
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But should we have to degrade the opposite sex in order to level the playing field?
He's not degrading the opposite sex, he's merely being refreshingly honest for a man and daring to say out loud that men don't have a monopoly on any ability, specifically the qualities necessary for leadership (Bono's Saint gave a great explanation of the issues with saying it is "degrading" or "self-loathing".) I'm not going to waste my time anymore discussing that with you, you will just continue to insist that it's degrading and self loathing. He's also merely saying that men have, for the most part, messed it up royally. One need only read a newspaper on a daily basis lately to see that. Granted people of a certain political or ideological philosophy don't see it that way.

I really don't need to define chauvinism, it's pretty self-evident. Other than the extremes, it's like that definition of porn-you know it when you see it. Actually one needn't look much further than FYM sometimes.
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But should we have to degrade the opposite sex in order to level the playing field?
It's called humility, look it up, Jesus talked about it all the time.
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