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Old 01-27-2006, 10:48 PM   #46
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In 9th grade religion we watched Dead Man Walking and Lord of the Flies (and many more), both rated R. I remember being surprised at the time, since I was either 13 or 14. However, these movies actually had some value to the themes we were studying. I think my parents would've been pissed if the teacher wasted two hours on a crappy movie, just for fun. It was a bad move, but nobody will be scarred for life because of it.
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Old 01-28-2006, 07:31 AM   #47
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In my area, (Chicagoland) an administrator can not fire a tenured teacher unless they do something illegal or immoral. "Substandard" teachers included.
There was a teacher at my high school who used to read the text book to the class from her desk. The school couldn't get rid of her.
And that is the problem with education.....

Many administrators do not want to go through the two year process to get rid of substandard teachers.

There is no longer tenure in Masssachusetts and that may be a pretty big differenfce.
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Dreadsox or WildHoney, what exactly is the philosophy (if there is one) behind having tenure for primary and secondary school teachers? My understanding is that years of experience adds to a teacher's (salaried) price tag and that this may sometimes result in less experienced teachers being favored for a position for no other reason--is that correct?

In academia, the main reason for tenure is to protect professors' intellectual freedom and right to take stances on issues in their field which may make them unpopular with some of their colleagues. Which, having spent my share of time on job search committees and having been privy to the sometimes ugly politics underlying certain colleagues' tenure decisions (which are a consensus process), I strongly believe this is still necessary. At the same time, I recognize that the freedoms tenure offers can be abused as well, in that it gives more breathing room to professors who exhibit a pattern of harassing, offending, neglecting and just in general poorly serving the needs of their students. It is particularly lamentable how the "publish or perish" imperative can result in less prolific writers who nonethless have glowing teaching reviews being cast off, or very prolific writers whose student reviews are poor being retained. My father, who was also a professor, used to (half-)jokingly say that in his opinion, there ought to if anything be a limit on how much research and writing a professor may pursue until s/he gets tenure, so as to instill a conviction that good teaching will always be their first responsibility.

Perhaps a thread debating the pros and cons of the various job protections extended to teachers of all kinds might make for an interesting discussion--though I suppose those of us on the inside feel a much stronger sense of stake in the issue.
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I just saw this film, 40 Year Old Virgin, tonite for the first time. It was funny, yet I believe it also had some very good messages in the film, as graphic as it was in some parts so it deserved the R rating.

Not knowing all the details of what happened with the teacher and in his Spanish classroom, I don't feel justified to say what I feel was right or wrong in what he chose to do. Certainly the "right" thing would have been to have planned to show the movie with permission slips from any students under the R rating age. As a parent (my son is now in his 2nd year in college) this is the least I would have expected.

IF the film was in fact shown the day after mid terms I would understand it's choice not having anything to do with a Spanish curriculum. I don't honestly feel it fair for the district to fire the instructor. Who knows this could have been an awesome teacher the school and district will now miss out on for simply have made a wrong decision showing a movie without parental permission from an underage students.

Lastly, this is the 21st century. I'm willing to bet a very high percentage of students in this high school class were not virgins when this movie was shown. There are far more serious problems I feel should be addressed in high school than firign teachers for showing such a movie in class, like peer pressure, drugs, having sex on campus, STD's, dropping out, cheating on tests......

That's my ten cents' worth.
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Dreadsox or WildHoney, what exactly is the philosophy (if there is one) behind having tenure for primary and secondary school teachers? My understanding is that years of experience adds to a teacher's (salaried) price tag and that this may sometimes result in less experienced teachers being favored for a position for no other reason--is that correct?
This is one reason. I know of a school system in which the principal was always letting go of the newest teacher. I believe the theory was that it was salary related.
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[Q]IF the film was in fact shown the day after mid terms I would understand it's choice not having anything to do with a Spanish curriculum. I don't honestly feel it fair for the district to fire the instructor. Who knows this could have been an awesome teacher the school and district will now miss out on for simply have made a wrong decision showing a movie without parental permission from an underage students.[/Q]

The district did not fire him...he resigned.


An awesome teacher would have used their brain. There would have been another incident of some sory if this is the judgement used by the teacher.

With the high demands of NCLB I as a parent would not be happy if a movie were being used to provide down time in school.
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[Q]Thu Jan 26, 11:08 PM ET

LEXINGTON, Ky. - Showing the R-rated movie "The 40-Year-Old Virgin" during high school Spanish class this week resulted in suspension for the teacher, who later resigned.

Del Pino, who was hired in August, said he decided to show the film after a student brought it to class and said it "was very funny," the Lexington Herald-Leader reported Friday.

R-rated movies are not to be shown to anyone younger than 17 without a parent or guardian. The movie was rated R for pervasive, explicit and crude sexual content and drug use.

The policy also states that the videos/movies "must be part of the lesson plan with genuine instruction objectives."
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[q]Tates Creek High School's video policy states that parents must give written consent for students to be shown an R-rated movie at school. Alternative assignments must be given to students whose parents object to the movie.
The policy also states that the videos/movies "must be part of the lesson plan with genuine instruction objectives." The policy discourages showing movies as "time filler."
"The school really did have a very strong policy in place and had gone through that policy with the staff member and so there really was no excuse for this to happen," Silberman said. "It was extremely unacceptable for any of our schools and we're just not going to tolerate that."
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http://www.kentucky.com/mld/kentucky...l/13723518.htm
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Tenure, in IL, can be granted after 4 years. When I was in high school it was 2 years. There has been talk of bringing it back to 2 years. Personally, I don't mind 4 years.

Tenure is important for a variety of reasons. They can vary from school to school or district to district. In my district tenure will be important to me for 2 basic reasons:

1. Constantly changing administration
2. Union and school board issues

Trust me when I say teachers need to be protected from the school board.
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Tenure, in IL, can be granted after 4 years. When I was in high school it was 2 years. There has been talk of bringing it back to 2 years. Personally, I don't mind 4 years.

Tenure is important for a variety of reasons. They can vary from school to school or district to district. In my district tenure will be important to me for 2 basic reasons:

1. Constantly changing administration
2. Union and school board issues

Trust me when I say teachers need to be protected from the school board.
#1 concerns me...

The Superintendant's Offcie always seems to be changing in our district.

The core administrators....do not....most people have been the principal of one building or another in my town for 25 plus years.
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