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Old 10-19-2004, 12:31 PM   #16
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Futhurmore GW Bush never claimed to be a SuperHero



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gawd he looks good in that pic
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well when it gets right down to it does it really matter? The guy went to Nam, SIGNED up to go...when he could have gotten out of it cuz he was in college. Then he goes and signs up for a second tour of duty, because he felt it was the right thing to do. He wanted to serve his country. If that doesnt define courage I dunno what does. I think John Kerry deserved all the awards he got...I think every single person that went over there deserves awards enough to weigh them down. Does the fact that Kerry got them and others didn't take away from the fact that Kerry deserved them? No...it doesn't. He was a young man, in the prime of his life and he volunteered to put his life on the line, not for one tour of duty but for two...to serve his country. That deserves admiration and nothing less.
I agree. Everyone knows this, he's got my vote. Some disagree. That's cool. It's a free country.
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Oh knock it off. This thread is ridiculous. How bout I start one: WWF, real or fake? Britney Spears: Voice of a generation? The swiftvets are the willie hortons for a new generation of fleeceables.
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hmmm
other then the media either trying to ignore, silence or discredit them the SwiftBoatVet's stories and claims have stood up to scruntiny.

Furthurmore a few high ranking SwiftVets actually are Democrat and voted for Gore in 2000.
How do you explain that?

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diamond, my honest answer to that question is that many Vietnam vets felt angry about Kerry speaking out against the war after he returned home. I think many of them felt betrayed by one of their own and now they will do whatever it takes to get him back for what he did. Simple as that.

Along those same lines, if I was a Vietnam vet I may feel the same way as they do. But I have read the entire transcript of Kerry's testimony and he never blamed the solidiers for what happened. He blamed the system and the way the war was handled.

Whether you agree with him or not you have to admit that really took a lot of guts. How many people are that vocal about what they stand for? How many people would risk losing so much to speak up for what they think is right?
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Kerry speaking out against the war after he returned home.
I believe this is what fuels their hatred.


Many understand their disagreement with Kerry's actions.

But, lying about what happened when Kerry volunteered and was risking his life is not excusable, and leaves them with little credibility.
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I believe this is what fuels their hatred.


Many understand their disagreement with Kerry's actions.

But, lying about what happened when Kerry volunteered and was risking his life is not excusable, and leaves them with little credibility.
I agree. They are really pissed off about his anti-war activities. I actually took personal offense with the Swift Boat guys. The main reason was the avowed anti-Catholicism of co-author Jerome Corsi. In *public* posts on FreeRepublic, he claimed the Pope is senile, the Catholic clergy is decadent as long as the allegedly liberal media doesn't report it, and other highly objectionable things. Their stories haven't stood up to scrutiny, IMHO. The idea that Kerry's first Purple Heart was because of a self-induced wound is "I don't know whether to laugh or cry" material. Garbage. Sinclair has been hit with a libel suit from a Vietnam vet who claims that his film makes him look like a liar. Go for it. It's true. I hate all of this politically motivated dirt. Ugh.
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Yep, I have heard GWB say that...now he needs to tell the swift boat veterans for truth to stfu and I will have a new-found respect for the old boy
He has. They don't take orders from him, apparently.
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Yep, I have heard GWB say that...now he needs to tell the swift boat veterans for truth to stfu and I will have a new-found respect for the old boy
You raise an interesting issue of whether a candidate is/should be responsible (and if so, to what degree) for the statements made by the "527" groups.

Neither side has made much of an effort to stop these groups.
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You raise an interesting issue of whether a candidate is/should be responsible (and if so, to what degree) for the statements made by the "527" groups.

Neither side has made much of an effort to stop these groups.
yes, I have to be fair, some of the democratic messages are quite nasty as well and I find myself hoping that at the end I dont hear "My name is John Kerry and I approve this message"
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You raise an interesting issue of whether a candidate is/should be responsible (and if so, to what degree) for the statements made by the "527" groups.

Neither side has made much of an effort to stop these groups.
I know. It's annoying. I don't like the 527's, I really don't give a who it is. I suppose it's the natural legacy of McCain-Feingold. It's so frustrating to think that every time you think a problem has been solved a new one rears its ugly head.
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Team America, f*ck yeah!

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that's the issue.

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I know. It's annoying. I don't like the 527's, I really don't give a who it is. I suppose it's the natural legacy of McCain-Feingold. It's so frustrating to think that every time you think a problem has been solved a new one rears its ugly head.
You really didn't believe that the politicians wanted a real solution, did you?
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