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Old 09-02-2005, 06:28 PM   #16
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Don't let the few die-hards distract from those who couldn't leave. And don't forget those who left, are now stranded, and have absolutely nothing to their names. That last group amonts to over one million.
Dateline just had a story about people who are walking on the interstate because they can't get in contact with relatives out of state for help.

One was a nurse who had stayed to work at one of the hospitals. And now she was walking along the highway on a bloody foot. Somehow the Dateline crew came across an ambulance who could help them.
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Kudos to Dateline.

And come to think of it, to all the reporters and media people who are down there. I know they've been helping out as they able and when they can.
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A lot of people at the Superdome have been saying that. They don't have cars and either walk or rely on public transportation.
What I do not understand is why, before the hurricane hit, huge passenger trains weren't sent to New Orleans to take out hundreds - if not thousands - of the city's poor, tourists, and others without a form of transportation.

Put together a train of twenty sleeper carriages and that's temporary accommodation for a STACK of people. Heck, considering how comfortable some modern sitting cars are, they could've even used those and people could sprawl out on the seats. Make a good number of these trains with all the carriages available, park them in a rail yard out of harm's way in another state, and make sure a few restaurant wagons are included in each train.

There you have it: temporary shelter, safety, security, food, sanitation, and comfort, rather than this Superdome joke. I know America's sorely lacking on the passenger train front compared to much of the world, but I'm SURE Amtrak could've spared a good number of wagons, along with engines to pull the trains to the safety of the aforementioned yard. There are also heaps of rail preservation societies with fleets of wagons - I visited one in Nashville in June. A couple of trains could've been sent down from that society to ferry out the stranded before the hurricane even arrived. Why weren't they?! Where the hell is the organisation?
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There isn't any...organization, that is. It seems.

*frustrated*
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What I do not understand is why, before the hurricane hit, huge passenger trains weren't sent to New Orleans to take out hundreds - if not thousands - of the city's poor, tourists, and others without a form of transportation.

Why weren't they?! Where the hell is the organisation?
We're all wondering the same thing. Apparently, New Orleans has a large percent of the population that does not have private transportation. What was the plan to get these people out? I heard that there were buses that were going to go around and pick up people before the storm, but I never heard any reports that this was actually done. I just heard that these people were told to go to the Superdome.
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If people were able to evacuate and decided not to, I will say that I think that was a stupid move on their part-better safe than sorry. I would've evacuated, personally.

At the same time, though, I don't agree with the idea that they deserved this for staying behind. They made a stupid choice, but they still didn't deserve this.

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If people were able to evacuate and decided not to, I will say that I think that was a stupid move on their part-better safe than sorry. I would've evacuated, personally.

At the same time, though, I don't agree with the idea that they deserved this for staying behind. They made a stupid choice, but they still didn't deserve this.

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Yeah, they didn't deserve it.

What surprised me about the survey was that so many people said they wouldn't comply with a mandatory evac...
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Also remember the difficulty in predicting hurricanes. Had the storm veered in either direction or weakened significantly (all have happened in storms this year and recent years) the evacuation that was in place would have been denounced as a gigantic waste of money and resources. Every shoulda is an enormous multi billion dollar logistics nightmare. All that said, it's the Feds response that is unforgivable.
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thanks, echo0001, for raising points that everyone needs to consider.

You can't paint this picture in just blacks and whites.

There has to be some degree of personal responsibility to the decisions we make in life.

I haven't had a car in seven years, but if a category four-five hurricane was coming directly at me, I would have pawned my TV/DVD player or something, got me some money and hightailed it out of the area on a Greyhound - or rented a car!

There WAS a way for a lot of folks to have prevented their demise.

To me, this lack of foresight on behalf of a lot of folks in N.O. says much more about our American sense of stubbornness and unwillingness to accept that we ARE SUSCEPTIBLE TO THE DANGERS OF LIFE.

We always think it won't happen to us because we live in the USA.

9/11 didn't teach us anything - neither will Katrina.

The opinions of a poor person who will still be poor after all the folks from N.O. are in new homes and new jobs.

Who is here to help the rest of us po' folks in the USA?

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YOU are here to help yourself!

This is America...land of opportunity. Take advantage of it and stop feeling sorry for yourself (you speak of having DVD/TV, and then call yourself poor..).

Yes, Americans are stubborn....and people SHOULD have fleed the area. BUT, did the citizens of NO expect the levees to break? NO.
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Let's say the same for the folks in N.O. who didn't use their better judgment, also.

I'm simply saying that these folks weren't the victims of some bomb that dropped from the skies - a lot of them were too stubborn to "help themselves" and get out of a dangerous situation.

Now, because they didn't use their better judgment, they will get tons of help while those of us who do try to help ourselves don't get any.

Already in my city (Austin TX), companies are preferring victims of Katrina to come and get jobs with them so that these companies can get federal disaster monies for helping!

Does THAT seem fair to us who are TX state residents who also need these jobs?

Before you criticize, you need to have all the facts.
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Please cite those companies who are going to hire Katrina victims in Austin because they are going to get federal money...PLEASE cite them.

Austin is one of America's fastest growing cities and is a tech center...filled with educational opportunities...again...like YOU say, people need to take personal responsibility...and I think you should do that before you preach it!
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I haven't had a car in seven years, but if a category four-five hurricane was coming directly at me, I would have pawned my TV/DVD player or something, got me some money and hightailed it out of the area on a Greyhound - or rented a car!

There WAS a way for a lot of folks to have prevented their demise.
Oh yes, it's so easy to declare what you'd have done when really, none of us really have any idea what we'd have done because we don't know what our personal circumstances in those decision-making moments would have been. Do you really think you're the only person who'd have had the idea to take a bus or rent a car? There are a limited number of buses and rental cars in a given city and you still might not have been able to get out.


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Now, because they didn't use their better judgment, they will get tons of help while those of us who do try to help ourselves don't get any.
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Before you criticize, you need to have all the facts.
Again, as if you know everyone's story? Perhaps you should wait for the facts, too.
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Do you really think you're the only person who'd have had the idea to take a bus or rent a car? There are a limited number of buses and rental cars in a given city and you still might not have been able to get out.
That, indeed, was the case. Rental cars ran out quickly, and those who had bought tickets for Greyhound buses suddenly found themselves stuck when they started cancelling bus trips closer to the hurricane. And these were "rich" tourists we're talking about here, so if they couldn't get out, I'm pretty sure the poor would have fared much worse.

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Let's say the same for the folks in N.O. who didn't use their better judgment, also.

I'm simply saying that these folks weren't the victims of some bomb that dropped from the skies - a lot of them were too stubborn to "help themselves" and get out of a dangerous situation.

Now, because they didn't use their better judgment, they will get tons of help while those of us who do try to help ourselves don't get any.

Already in my city (Austin TX), companies are preferring victims of Katrina to come and get jobs with them so that these companies can get federal disaster monies for helping!

Does THAT seem fair to us who are TX state residents who also need these jobs?

Before you criticize, you need to have all the facts.
Whoa! You really are on a tear today, aren't you? (I just read the "Holy Kanye! ... " thread too)

Logically one would think that people who are poor would have more compassion and understanding of the plight of other, even more desperately poor people, but as you just so beautifully illustrated it often doesn't work that way.

And as I'm sure you will know if you have read any of the other responses to your posts here and in the Kanye threads, many other people (including me) on this board are or have been in financially shakey, and even downright dire, situations. Don't ever think you are the only one who knows what being poor is like.

Compared to a lot of people in the areas hit by Katrina, you, jamilla, are rich. So take a big dose of Midol and get over yourself.
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