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Old 12-01-2007, 04:51 PM   #1
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Surfer dude stuns physicists - new theory of everything

Science, is beautiful

they will throw away a premise if it is proven wrong.

and are will accept the new, if it proves valid



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An impoverished surfer has drawn up a new theory of the universe, seen by some as the Holy Grail of physics, which has received rave reviews from scientists.



Garrett Lisi, 39, has a doctorate but no university affiliation and spends most of the year surfing in Hawaii, where he has also been a hiking guide and bridge builder (when he slept in a jungle yurt).
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The E8 pattern (click to enlarge), Garrett Lisi surfing (middle) and out of the water (right)

In winter, he heads to the mountains near Lake Tahoe, Nevada, where he snowboards. "Being poor sucks," Lisi says. "It's hard to figure out the secrets of the universe when you're trying to figure out where you and your girlfriend are going to sleep next month."

Despite this unusual career path, his proposal is remarkable because, by the arcane standards of particle physics, it does not require highly complex mathematics.

Even better, it does not require more than one dimension of time and three of space, when some rival theories need ten or even more spatial dimensions and other bizarre concepts. And it may even be possible to test his theory, which predicts a host of new particles, perhaps even using the new Large Hadron Collider atom smasher that will go into action near Geneva next year.

Although the work of 39 year old Garrett Lisi still has a way to go to convince the establishment, let alone match the achievements of Albert Einstein, the two do have one thing in common: Einstein also began his great adventure in theoretical physics while outside the mainstream scientific establishment, working as a patent officer, though failed to achieve the Holy Grail, an overarching explanation to unite all the particles and forces of the cosmos.
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Now Lisi, currently in Nevada, has come up with a proposal to do this. Lee Smolin at the Perimeter Institute for Theoretical Physics in Waterloo, Ontario, Canada, describes Lisi's work as "fabulous". "It is one of the most compelling unification models I've seen in many, many years," he says.

"Although he cultivates a bit of a surfer-guy image its clear he has put enormous effort and time into working the complexities of this structure out over several years," Prof Smolin tells The Telegraph.

"Some incredibly beautiful stuff falls out of Lisi's theory," adds David Ritz Finkelstein at the Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta. "This must be more than coincidence and he really is touching on something profound."
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The new theory reported today in New Scientist has been laid out in an online paper entitled "An Exceptionally Simple Theory of Everything" by Lisi, who completed his doctorate in theoretical physics in 1999 at the University of California, San Diego.

He has high hopes that his new theory could provide what he says is a "radical new explanation" for the three decade old Standard Model, which weaves together three of the four fundamental forces of nature: the electromagnetic force; the strong force, which binds quarks together in atomic nuclei; and the weak force, which controls radioactive decay.

The reason for the excitement is that Lisi's model also takes account of gravity, a force that has only successfully been included by a rival and highly fashionable idea called string theory, one that proposes particles are made up of minute strings, which is highly complex and elegant but has lacked predictions by which to do experiments to see if it works.

But some are taking a cooler view. Prof Marcus du Sautoy, of Oxford University and author of Finding Moonshine, told the Telegraph: "The proposal in this paper looks a long shot and there seem to be a lot things still to fill in."

And a colleague Eric Weinstein in America added: "Lisi seems like a hell of a guy. I'd love to meet him. But my friend Lee Smolin is betting on a very very long shot."

Lisi's inspiration lies in the most elegant and intricate shape known to mathematics, called E8 - a complex, eight-dimensional mathematical pattern with 248 points first found in 1887, but only fully understood by mathematicians this year after workings, that, if written out in tiny print, would cover an area the size of Manhattan.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/mai...scisurf114.xml



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My brain doesn't really understand this stuff, but from what I can get it seems cool
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I'm always fascinated by this kind of stuff, and have nothing but awe for the people who can actually form theories to answer the "where did we come from" questions.

Cool stuff.
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^what they said

It´ll make a nice wallpaper
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The new theory reported today in New Scientist has been laid out in an online paper entitled "An Exceptionally Simple Theory of Everything" by Lisi, who completed his doctorate in theoretical physics in 1999 at the University of California, San Diego.
It seems pretty disingenuous to make it sound like your average "surfer dude" could come up with the Theory of Everything.
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Yeah, before I actually read the article, I assumed Deep was posting something from The Onion.
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^^^^^^^^^^


i love this kind of stuff......... the actual higher nath makes me but i have a type of abstraction ability that's supposed to be very high if not off the chart ( tested way back ).

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The article mentioned absolutely nothing about what the theory actually proposes
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The article mentioned absolutely nothing about what the theory actually proposes

There is a link to the article below the picture of the graph?

In that article are 6 links

this is one

they do include some related information, but you seem to be right
not much more on Garrett Lisi's T of E?


note, there are skeptics to this guys new theory


I am a bit of a fan of Dr. Michio Kaku

and he is all about string

He has had some pretty good programs on BBC TV recently about the concept of time.
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This is a pretty poorly written article. Also I am unimpressed with a guy who chooses to surf and snowboard all year and then bitches about being poor. But it is an interesting topic and if you go to the article and go to the second page (the text of which isn't in this thread) it talks a big more about the E8 (that cool thing in the picture) and how it relates to this theory. Basically the geometry of the E8 mirrors that of particles, and he hopes to test his theory by using the E8 to predict what certain particles will look like if they appear when the giant electron collider starts up.
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I'm not scientifically oriented. I'm a historian.
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I'm prone not to believe cosmological theories that can duplicated on a Hasbro Lite-Bright.

http://www.hasbro.com/litebrite/swf/litebrite.cfm
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I am a bit of a fan of Dr. Michio Kaku

and he is all about string

He has had some pretty good programs on BBC TV recently about the concept of time.
His show on Time is brilliant. He also hosts a radio show on NPR (or he did anyway) which is how I first found him. Brilliant guy, very interesting and actually listenable, unlike many physicists that lose you real quick. Another interesting fellow is Brian Green who hosted the Elegant Universe - you can watch the whole thing here:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/elegant/program.html
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