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Save the Pendleton Eight!

http://www.pendleton8.com/about_us.html

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Inside the Camp Pendleton 8
TODAY'S COLUMNIST
By Rick Amato
August 30, 2006

They've been shackled in chains and held in solitary confinement, their defense attorneys have been denied access to key evidence of the case and now their right to request a waiver of a pre-trial hearing — known as an article 32 — has also been denied. Such has been the treatment of the men known as the Pendleton 8 in their quest to receive a fair, impartial hearing with a true presumption of innocence.

[...]

As to the allegation of coerced statements, Pfc. Jodka's father, John Jr., described to me the psychological torture he believes his 20-year-old son has endured: "Immediately after my son was removed from the war zone, literally moments after his rifle was removed from his hands, he was placed in a room for 7 to 7.5 hours — no food, no water, no sleep — and he was told that he was a murderer. They hammered away at him to give statements of what it was they wanted to hear."


http://www.washingtontimes.com/op-ed/20060829-091620-1440r.htm

What a mess.
 
Possibly too is the morale of our military. As former marine Leo Chapinsky wrote in this e-mail to me: They recruit you. They train you. They teach you to kill. You kill the enemy and you get treated like the Pendleton 8? Is it any wonder the Marine Corps needs to call up reservists to active duty?

:up:
 
http://www.marineparents.com/usmc/outreach-cp8.asp

USMC 3/5 Kilo Company Marines Defense Funds and Addresses:


Sgt. Lawrence G. Hutchins III


Cpl. Trent D. Thomas
The following web site offers additional information and a defense fund for Trent:
www.DefenseFundForMyHero.com

Cpl. Marshall L. Magincalda
The following web site offers additional information and a defense fund for Marshall:
www.HelpDefendOurMarine.com

Navy Hospital Corpsman 3rd Class Melson J. Bacos
The following web site offers additional information and a defense fund for Melson:
www.PatriotDefenseFund.com

Lance Cpl. Tyler A. Jackson
The following web site offers additional information and a defense fund for Tyler:
www.FightingForTyler.com

Lance Cpl. Jerry E. Shumate Jr.
There are a couple of web sites out there for Jerry, but at this time there is nothing "official". In the meanwhile, defense fund donations can be mailed directly to:
Jerry Shumate Defense Fund
P O Box 233
Matlock, WA 98560

Lance Cpl. Robert B. Pennington
The following web site offers additional information and a defense fund for Rob:
www.DefendRob.com

Pfc. John J. Jodka
The following web site offers additional information and a defense fund for John:
www.InnocentMarine.com
 
Who the hell are the Pendleton 8? I tried to wade through the obvious bias and ranting of that site, but I feel none the wiser. What did they (allegedly) do and what fate do you want them saved from?

Also, you can't possibly believe the inane nonsense in your signature.

Edit: Please note that I didn't see the subsequent posts before writing this post. Though it's not as if any of them are tremendously enlightening either ...
 
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Axver said:
Who the hell are the Pendleton 8? I tried to wade through the obvious bias and ranting of that site, but I feel none the wiser. What did they (allegedly) do and what fate do you want them saved from?
Is it biased? Obviously. That's what happens when the media, the military officials, the president, and his administration ignore what is being done to our troops when they do what they've been trained to do.

The Pendleton 8 are the Marines that were held at Camp Pendleton in shackles because they followed the orders of the military. They killed who their commanders told them were our enemies.

Axver said:
Also, you can't possibly believe the inane nonsense in your signature.
Don't kid yourself, kid.
 
Accord the Pendleton 8 all the legal protections to which they are entitled. Allow their attorneys all the information they need to mount a robust defense. Allow them full due process that should be accorded to all criminal defendants. But since I don't know whether they are guilty or innocent, I will wait for further information until I start calling for their release or their condemnation.

http://www.cpp.usmc.mil/scout/archives/releases/press/06-055.asp

(Although I am sure there are more current developments, I couldn't find anything that wasn't skewed one way or the other)

Macfist, is your complaint their incarceration or other due process you think has been denied them?
 
Macfistowannabe said:
Is it biased? Obviously. That's what happens when the media, the military officials, the president, and his administration ignore what is being done to our troops when they do what they've been trained to do.
i didn't get enough sleep last week so maybe I'm just missing something, but what does the media etc have to do with that site being biased rantings?
 
Actually, Axver is rather bright for a 'kid'.

These fellows are being held as an indirect result of every single person in your country who voted Bush, and every crony that dickhead employs. So rather than imploring assistance on a U2 forum, perhaps you should petition Superior Violence to DEFEAT this.
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Angela Harlem said:
These fellows are being held as an indirect result of every single person in your country who voted Bush, and every crony that dickhead employs.

Angie...usually I love your posts even when I disagree...

But this smells of shite.
 
Well for god'sa sake, Dread. Where is the uproar over folk from other countries who are detained and tortured?
THAT reaks. It is so easy to confuse and blur the bare bones of something when it is not one of our own.
 
Angela Harlem said:
Well for god'sa sake, Dread. Where is the uproar over folk from other countries who are detained and tortured?
THAT reaks. It is so easy to confuse and blur the bare bones of something when it is not one of our own.

There has been uproar.
 
Angela Harlem said:
Well for god'sa sake, Dread. Where is the uproar over folk from other countries who are detained and tortured?
THAT reaks. It is so easy to confuse and blur the bare bones of something when it is not one of our own.

There has been uproar.

And if you review my posts, I do recall my outrage at the soldiers who wear the uniform I used to wear.
 
Macfistowannabe said:

The Pendleton 8 are the Marines that were held at Camp Pendleton in shackles because they followed the orders of the military. They killed who their commanders told them were our enemies.


I just want to clarify something here. I am an Infantry Lieutenant and US soldiers are not obliged to follow unlawful or immoral orders.

If I am ordered to "wipe out" a village of women and children, I have the right, no - I have the DUTY, to disobey. And if I give such an order, my tropps have the same right to disobey me.

I don't know the particulars of this case. They should be considered innocent until proven guilty like every other person on trilal. However - the "I was just following orders" argument is not a defense - it is an admission of guilt.
 
The Pendleton 8. Another cause for me to get behind, or a waste of time? I seem to always be getting myself into causes involving social justice and idealism. Is it misplaced idealism? There's certainly no shortage of that.
 
Macfistowannabe said:


They killed who their commanders told them were our enemies.

We don't know this. Be careful of your biased information.






Your signature would make Jesus cry. Seriously sickening.
 
BonoVoxSupastar said:


Your signature would make Jesus cry. Seriously sickening.


I am sure you have done things in life that would make Jesus Cry. Violence is the balance for Peace, with out it this world would be in total chaos with overpopulation. So whetere it's through Violence or Disease I don't see what the big deal is.
 
Justin24 said:



I am sure you have done things in life that would make Jesus Cry.

Yes but the difference is I don't advocate those things.

Justin24 said:

Violence is the balance for Peace, with out it this world would be in total chaos with overpopulation. So whetere it's through Violence or Disease I don't see what the big deal is.

You can't really believe that. There's nothing superior about violence?



"SOCIAL JUSTICE" is a LENINOMICAL, SOCIALIST INJUSTICE.

And this is just :|
 
But to gain peace, there is always violence before it. Even Ghandi died from it.
 
Salome said:
i didn't get enough sleep last week so maybe I'm just missing something, but what does the media etc have to do with that site being biased rantings?
I admit the initial link is biased.

But I think a fair-minded person would look at the alternative media with optimism after they break stories like this. A fair-minded person would also take a look at what moveon.org has to say, and what the dailykos.com editors have to say. But when the alternative media is the first to unleash a story, you can count on them to put as much spin as they like.

What's it have to do with the media, you ask?

The media being excessive in condemning US torture tactics on prisoners, and being absent when there is injustice directed towards our troops.
 
Justin24 said:
But to gain peace, there is always violence before it. Even Ghandi died from it.
While this is off-subject, it's interesting in point nonetheless.

I can't say Ghandi was a peacemaker by definition, but an enlightened pacifist. His motives were well-intended, but they did not result in peace. They resulted in the loss of his life.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/India

Since it gained independence, India has seen sectarian violence and insurgencies in various parts of the country, but has maintained its unity and democracy. It has unresolved territorial disputes with China, which escalated into the brief Sino-Indian War in 1962; and with Pakistan, which resulted in wars in 1947, 1965, 1971 and in 1999 war in Kargil. India is a founding member of the Non-Aligned Movement and the United Nations (at the time as part of British India). In 1974, India conducted an underground nuclear test. This was followed by five more tests in 1998. Significant economic reforms beginning in 1991 have transformed India into one of the fastest-growing economies in the world.
 
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BonoVoxSupastar said:


I know what I advocate and what I don't. What kind of question is that? Are you just reaching?
So in other words, you have a moral monopoly?
 
Justin24: I am sure you have done things in life that would make Jesus Cry.

BonoVoxSupastar: Yes but the difference is I don't advocate those things.


BonoVoxSupastar said:
Wow, that's a leap of logic. How did you get from not advocating to having exclusive control?
It's very simple. Neither you or I can claim in a clear conscience that everything we advocate is moral in the eyes of God.
 
Macfistowannabe said:



It's very simple. Neither you or I can claim in a clear conscience that everything we advocate is moral in the eyes of God.

That's why I'm very careful of the things I advocate in life. Violence isn't one of them.
 
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