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Old 02-05-2007, 10:16 PM   #31
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You can agree to disagree, and still have a good friend or a loved one. It's hard to keep this perspective when all we have here is words on a 2-dimensional screen and usually don't know other posters personally.

I've said some dumb things here, and I've read some dumb things. Such is life, human nature. I have changed my views on a few things stemming from discussion here, so I have felt and at the moment continue to feel that this forum is of value to me.

Even with all the disagreement, I can't think of any FYM poster I wouldn't be pleased to met in person.
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Old 02-05-2007, 10:20 PM   #32
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I think Newbies are welcome in this forum.....

It's conservatives who are the dying breed... Or anyone who does not fit the liberal MO...


or conservatives who can't take the heat?

it's much, much tougher to be a conservative in 2007 than it was in 2004/5.

i mean that as a serious comment, at least within the context of American politics.
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Old 02-06-2007, 09:36 AM   #33
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Honestly most of the cases I've seen of n00bs being attacked in a forum (here or other) fall into one of 2 categories:

1. The n00b's first post is incredibly over-the-top antagonistic and appears borderline trollish, often because the person didn't post until they found something that struck a nerve.

2. The person doing the attacking is known for that type of behavior, to regulars as well as new posters.
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Old 02-06-2007, 09:48 AM   #34
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I think it's easier to be rude and dismissive to others opinions if you can't see their face and if you don't know anything about them.

A good sense of humor can go a long way as well but it can also land you in hot water. Not everyone finds the same thing funny and what one person may think is hilarious, another find horrifying...

That is the worst thing about this type of communication I find, it is very difficult to understand what the tone of the message is.

If I said:

I hate you!

I'm sure most would find this insulting, but if I simply do this:

I hate you!

All of a sudden it's better because I'm joking...or am I?

Probably 70% of the arguments on this board would not happen if people could understand the tone of what is being said. And of course if you are going to discuss something with a stranger, generally Religion or Politics are not the best topics to start off with...

Phew, that was a long one and for the record, ad me to the honorary newbie list as well...
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Old 02-06-2007, 10:07 AM   #35
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I've got no problem with newbies. They might be new to this site, but might be longtime U2 fans.
I think my largest pet peeve is when a person types IMO or IMHO. Of course it's your opinion! That's kind of a given! So, if you find yourself typing those letters, stop yourself. Be a leader. Not a follower.
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Old 02-06-2007, 10:22 AM   #36
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I've got no problem with newbies. They might be new to this site, but might be longtime U2 fans.
I think my largest pet peeve is when a person types IMO or IMHO. Of course it's your opinion! That's kind of a given! So, if you find yourself typing those letters, stop yourself. Be a leader. Not a follower.
Well, IMO I think it's a good thing that people do this, although you are right - it is kind of funny when you think about it, of course it's your opinion! But I don't think these forums need to be a yelling and screaming match, when you put something like IMO or IMHO it reminds people that yes, this is ONLY your opinion and it gives them pause (hopefully) before replying.
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I went into this pizza place the other day and this customer in front of me said he was there to pick up a pizza pie. The guy behind the counter smirked and said "so you want a pie pie?". (You see, in Italian, pizza means pie.) The customer looked at him puzzled. The counterperson requested that the customer please not be redundant and informed the customer that his pie pie would be ready in 15 minutes.
So, when someone types IMO or IMHO it's as redundant as ordering a pizza pie. Of course it's your opinion and of course you're ordering a pizza/pie.
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Old 02-06-2007, 10:39 AM   #38
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Re: Superiority complexes and internet forums in general

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Disclaimer / arsesaver: This is not aimed at any specific person, and I'm not just talking about here, but in most internet forums I've seen. I just want to find out what anti-newbie nonsense is about, because I cannot comprehend it.
I also read and post on a couple of other forums. There (as well as in EYKIW) the newbies are flamed for asking FAQ openly without first reading the FAQ. "RTFF" or Read The Fucking FAQ (or Forum) is a common retort on some other forums.
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I find it sad that when someone asks the question:

"What is the name of the song that plays before every Vertigo show?"

Everyone does this and has a sarcastic comment...

I know there are some people who are exceptions, but is it that hard to politely answer the question?

"Wake Up" by Arcade Fire from their "Funeral" album. There, it probably took as long to write this as it would to write something sarcastic and rude...
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Whenever FYM gets me down, I remind myself that my religious and political views are also night and day as those of my parents and my in-laws. You can agree to disagree, and still have a good friend or a loved one. It's hard to keep this perspective when all we have here is words on a 2-dimensional screen and usually don't know other posters personally. I just keep reminding myself of my mom and I, how opposite we are, but how well we get along, political debate aside.

I've said some dumb things here, and I've read some dumb things. Such is life, human nature. I have changed my views on a few things stemming from discussion here, so I have felt and at the moment continue to feel that this forum is of value to me.

Even with all the disagreement, I can't think of any FYM poster I wouldn't be pleased to met in person.
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i'm as guilty as taking this forum too seriously as anyone else -- it's not often that i encounter people either from such different backgrounds on a regular basis and then have the perogative to engage them in debate and discussion -- but i also think it's due to the fact that, yes, we're all 2 dimensional, but we also get access to articulated thoughts and feelings and possibly a level of honesty in a mostlyl anonymous forum such as this that you'd never get in real life where you'd pretty much have to be nice to someone. while politeness is a good rule of thumb for life, it's not necessarily a good rule of thumb when you're seeking honesty and openness and rigorous thinking. i would often get into ... not trouble, exactly ... but a bit of hot water when traveling and wanting to engage the multitude of international expats around the table in political and religious and social discussions after a few pints, but having to retain a level of courtesy that can be stifling to genuine discussion. here, due to the anonymity, there's none of that pretense, which is both a strong point and a negative point. ultimately, you can't expect the same rules to apply here that you would expect to apply in a face-to-face interaction and i always find it interesting when people seem to have their feelings hurt. the importance i give this forum has nothing to do with me as a person, but everything to do with ideas. it's my ideas that are on trial, not my personality or who i am as a human being. ideas are contested, never people. usually.

it amazes me how vividly some personalities come across, and how much opinions can matter in here, and i think the greatest evidence i have of that is that characters from FYM often enter my (non-sexual, i swear) dreams, which is a peculiar thing -- i don't know what anyone looks like (with a few exceptions) so it's a strange process for your brain to create a physical composite of someone based upon their thoughts and written personalities alone.

this is a very interesting form of social interaction and i'm not sure we've all thought it through yet, nor could we, as internet-based realities continue to spin and spiral before us in ever unfolding complexity.
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I find it sad that when someone asks the question:

"What is the name of the song that plays before every Vertigo show?"

Everyone does this and has a sarcastic comment...

I know there are some people who are exceptions, but is it that hard to politely answer the question?
Yes it can be irritating when you see the same questions asked time and time again but I get far more irritated by seeing all the sarcastic comments that ensue. It reminds me of school bullies picking on the new kids.
I read an article a while ago about message boards which basically said that the younger the age group of the forum the more the newbies get attacked whilst forums with an older membership are normally more accepting and helpful to newbies. As Yolland said, it doesn't seem to be a particular problem on FYM compared to some other forums/boards but is that because the average age here is older or are we just more mature?
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it amazes me how vividly some personalities come across, and how much opinions can matter in here, and i think the greatest evidence i have of that is that characters from FYM often enter my (non-sexual, i swear) dreams, which is a peculiar thing -- i don't know what anyone looks like (with a few exceptions) so it's a strange process for your brain to create a physical composite of someone based upon their thoughts and written personalities alone.
tell us of the dreams!

i know what you mean. i get all disoriented when people change their avatars. thats how we tend to recognize them in these forums. and then they go changin and turn my world upside down.
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^says the one who is changing her avatar relativley frequently


I think it's safe here to be a newbie.
At another forum I'm on it's much harder to come in as a new member. Even though the majority of posters is already studying or passing the A-levels (Abitur) this year, so they are around 19.

Here you even can embarrass yourself and still get recognized.
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tell us of the dreams!


i swear they're all very calm and involve discussion and i usually find that people are generally very nice, yet certain aspects of their online personality come forth.

example: Yolland is always smiling and nodding and encouraging others to participate and looking to pull out good points in comments and offer them up to the group as discussion pieces. no doubt this image is influenced by my knowledge that she's a professor, and good professors do such things, but that also comes across in her posts.

Dread has a boston accent, not unlike many of my cousins.

etc., etc.

they're all kind of boring, and it's not like it's an FYM dream, per se, but more like FYM characters are invading my always bizarre, occasionally frustrating composite dreams.
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