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Old 06-26-2007, 05:06 AM   #46
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I'm the oldest of 2 kids, and, we're both dolts.
honesty has to get you some IQ points
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it's obviously true.
Yes, yes it is.
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I'm the older of 2 kids. I tend to try harder in school then my sister and the result is better grades. She is more street smart, has more friends, and is great at sports. Me, I have a small group of friends, am not good at sports, and read none stop. IQ wise, I think that I may be the smarter of the two.
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I am a little bemused by the certainty several people seem to feel that in the absence of IQ tests having been taken by them and all their siblings as adults, nonetheless they still more or less "know" what the outcome would be. I don't mean that critically; it's just I can't personally relate to it at all. I wouldn't be particularly surprised if my family epitomized this "trend" to the letter, on the other hand I wouldn't be surprised if we presented several contradictions to it either. All of us did overall very well in school, all of us did very well on standardized tests (well OK, my next oldest brother was only a somewhat-above-average student, but he had Tourette's and ADHD to contend with, so I don't think it's fair to count him as "representative" of much); all of us have fairly challenging and demanding jobs, though they're certainly not all "glamorous" or lucrative (we all wound up in some kind of human services profession); I wouldn't describe any of us as notably "rebellious" or "exhibitionist", but I wouldn't describe any of us as piously dutiful or "rigid" either. I *think* the 5 of us would probably agree that the oldest (brother) and youngest (sister) are overall the most "intense" and "driven", and that me and my younger brother are the most "thoughtful" and "reflective", but I kind of doubt that ties much into IQ differences per se. The only thing I can think of that *might* point to a somewhat higher IQ is that my oldest brother is just about the funniest person I've ever known, the sort who can keep most any roomful of people in stitches with his running patter of sardonic asides and fey humor. I do tend to think people who are exceptionally funny are most likely exceptionally bright as well--there's a kind of intellectual dexterity required to keep up that pace of lightning-fast witty associations and so on. But that's just a "hunch" really, I have no proof of it.

In addition to being somewhat enamored of the theory of 'multiple intelligences' and awareness that IQ tests are not generally considered reliable predictors of 'success' in life, I guess I probably also have a couple additional reasons why I tend to distrust the emphasis some put on them. One is that I've a pretty good idea that many people I know now would tend to perceive a lot of the people I grew up with as "not very smart", in my view largely because of things those people had no control over--the schools there are generally considered just about the worst in the country; a lot of the older people in particular received only such education as the pre-desegregation "school system" had to offer which was even poorer; many of them have never had the time or money to travel very far from the patch of land they grew up on and so their frame of reference is pretty small; their minds are geared towards a social and economic setting that's in many ways quite different, more "limited" compared to the 'national average' and so on. The other thing is that the 'birth order' model, at least all the versions of it I'm familiar with, seems to wholly overlook the role that parents' favoritism towards some of their children--which has no predictable relationship to birth order, in my experience--might in *some* families have on things like academic or intellectual development. And maybe also what deep touched on--that in some families there's a much larger age gap between some siblings than others and what effect that might have on any of it.

And maybe this was more the stuff of a journal entry than a topical post, but oh well...
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I don't believe that IQ is even the best indicator of intelligence. What about emotional intelligence?
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so all that is true. but there are days when my horoscope is eerie.

and some of us can find the story of our lives
in the random playlist on our ipods.
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wait a minute ... is this how The Bible works as well!?!?!
No.
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all of us find our own answer?


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all of us find our own answer?


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Old 06-26-2007, 09:32 PM   #55
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It was not really a question directed to you specifically
for an answer

I just think that each person experiences the Bible and other religious texts, in their own unique way.
and also as they approach religious and/or spiritual matters
they find their own answers.



as for
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I doubt
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that was just my improv signature
for the moment, and not intended to be part and parcel of the reply.
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Old 06-27-2007, 03:31 PM   #56
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It was not really a question directed to you specifically
for an answer

I just think that each person experiences the Bible and other religious texts, in their own unique way.
and also as they approach religious and/or spiritual matters
they find their own answers.



as for


that was just my improv signature
for the moment, and not intended to be part and parcel of the reply.
Got it.
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Doesn't explain why my brother's dumb as a rock, though..:grin:
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I guess now that I have my Rocky, I better not have any more. Because the next one would be my Bullwinkle
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Dun dun DUN...
High intelligence isn't all it's cracked up to be, anyway. I've met plenty of supposedly 'retarded' or 'mentally challenged' people who have plenty more common sense than those who are supposed to be highly intelligent. Really, that number means nothing in the grand scheme of things. I mean, I got into IIT, a supposedly difficult school to get into, just because I said I wanted to go. I mean, I can't do calculus, but I'm damned good at convincing people that I /want/ to do calculus. (see, I can't even spell the word, gives me hives.)
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Actually, as the eldest, I hate this study. I may be smarter, but I'm more rigid and boring. I'd be glad to hand over those extra 3 points.


Me, too.
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