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Old 06-24-2004, 11:25 AM   #1
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In a major escalation of the struggle between John Kerry supporters and independent presidential candidate Ralph Nader, Arizona Democrats filed a lawsuit Wednesday aimed at blocking Nader from running in that state.
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I signed a petition to get Nader on the ballot even though I probably would not vote for him. Everyone should have a right to run. I wish more would, as I am sick of the two party system anyway.
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I would also sign a petition to put Nader on the ballot. I haven't been asked. The way people are responding to his campaign, I don't think he'll get nearly the votes he got four years ago. He doesn't have the support of the celebs or the publications he did then. That being said I'm not surprised at this lawsuit. Partisan feelings are running higher than I've ever seen, much higher than in 1992.
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Yes there are two ways to win the election
a) Convinice more people that your political ideas are better
b) Sue your oponents
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....and guess how many lawyers we have in the US
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This is ridiculous. The Democrats have to play fairly. Under exisiting laws, as far as I know, whoever gets the required number of signatures and pays the appropriate fees can be on the ballot, whether that is Ralph Nader, Paris Hilton, or Donald Duck. Plus, people can always write in their choices, too.

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i always believe that there should be two rounds of election..in the 2nd round, the top 2 of the 1st round can contest so that people who had voted for anyone else can make their mind..that which one of them is less worse
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This is ridiculous. The Democrats have to play fairly. Under exisiting laws, as far as I know, whoever gets the required number of signatures and pays the appropriate fees can be on the ballot, whether that is Ralph Nader, Paris Hilton, or Donald Duck. Plus, people can always write in their choices, too.

I agree. This shouldn't be going on. If they keep Nader off of the ballot that deprives the voters of their opportunity to cast a "protest vote", something I feel is important. Limiting the whole process to just two candidates is just plain undemocratic and shouldn't be going on. Of course you can write in your protest vote, but I don't like this. Let Nader get on the ballots, and then we'll have a more fair election. Stuff like this gives me this queasy "police state" feeling. Do you know where your government agent is?
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Arizona Democrats charged that 72 percent of the signatures Nader submitted on his petitions to get on the ballot are invalid, mostly because many of the names do not appear to be those of registered voters in Arizona.

If the allegations prove to be correct, Nader would be more than 8,000 signatures short of the number he needs to get on the Arizona ballot.
But what if this is true? I mean, if these Democrats are just doing it to tie up Nader's money in this lawsuit then it is shamefull. But what if 72% of the names on Nader's list are fake, then it would be a correct lawsuit right?
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But what if this is true? I mean, if these Democrats are just doing it to tie up Nader's money in this lawsuit then it is shamefull. But what if 72% of the names on Nader's list are fake, then it would be a correct lawsuit right?
That would be if 72% of the signatures are not of registered voters. That would be uncool........but how do they prove that these people are not registered voters? It seems like they could use this for dirty tricks, to get the people to spend extra $$, then not get on the ballot. Sheesh.
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But what if this is true? I mean, if these Democrats are just doing it to tie up Nader's money in this lawsuit then it is shamefull. But what if 72% of the names on Nader's list are fake, then it would be a correct lawsuit right?
Yes, the lawsuit would be valid. If the names are not valid then I don' t see what the problem is.
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That's the beauty of the US legal system. If you believe you have a claim, you can tie someone up in litigation with little fear of retribution or penalty (if your claim is unsupportable).

There is always an error rate for petitions and signature gatherers always obtain more than what is required. The 72% rate seems phenomenally high, however.
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72% *is* high, and I'll bet it's not true. They probably just blew up the numbers to make their case overwhelming. I don't think the Nader petition people are that stupid. I wish I could do something about this but I can't. It pisses me off big time. It's not fair.
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how do they prove that these people are not registered voters?
I presume the US has something similar to the electoral register we have in the UK -- a list containing the names of all people entitled to vote in elections. So wouldn't the simple way to determine whether those who signed the petition are registered voters be to compare their names/addresses, etc with those on a list of registered voters?
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I presume the US has something similar to the electoral register we have in the UK -- a list containing the names of all people entitled to vote in elections. So wouldn't the simple way to determine whether those who signed the petition are registered voters be to compare their names/addresses, etc with those on a list of registered voters?
You are correct. In California, the Secretary of State's office receives the petitions, compares them to voter rolls, and certifies the petition. If there are problems, the State invalidates the petition. It shouldn't take a lawsuit.
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