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Old 06-24-2004, 05:46 PM   #16
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i had the fun job of cross referencing names like these when i worked on a campaign. good times.

anyway, i really hope nader makes the ballot.
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The only way we will ever eliminate the two party system is to have a major overhaul of the American electoral system. If we had an electoral system not unlike Louisiana, where all candidates run, and if one candidate takes 50% or more of the vote, wins; and, if not, the top two candidates have a final election, I think a multi-party system could really work.

As it is, the electoral process is painfully stacked towards maintaining the two-party system. In fact, you can't seem to get any third-party into the major debates, and we all know how important exposure is.

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When I was asked to sign the petition, it was in a parking lot. You had to put your SS# and phone # for verification. Surely they did that in Arizona. They also said you were under no obligation to vote for Nader, it was only saying you thought he should be on the ballot.
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The only way we will ever eliminate the two party system is to have a major overhaul of the American electoral system. If we had an electoral system not unlike Louisiana, where all candidates run, and if one candidate takes 50% or more of the vote, wins; and, if not, the top two candidates have a final election, I think a multi-party system could really work.

As it is, the electoral process is painfully stacked towards maintaining the two-party system. In fact, you can't seem to get any third-party into the major debates, and we all know how important exposure is.

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The electoral college is lame and outdated. It was offensive in the first place because it was saying people weren't actually voting for a candidate, but voting for the electors representing that candidate. It's time to can it, and the two party system!
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Old 06-24-2004, 06:15 PM   #20
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I also think it is time to can the party conventions. They nothing but an expensive show, and, in the case of Boston, this expensive show is pretty much going to cripple the city entirely while the Democratic National Convention is here.

I'm sorry, but it is time to dump that expensive party.

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I agree, conventions have become big, expensive parties that serve no real purpose or function. They did when the candidates were actually chosen there. Now they don't choose the candidates, so why have them?
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I agree the two party system is ridiculous, I also think the Democrats are acting chicken shit, but I've also been very displeased with groups that are working to get Nader's name on the ballot. I've ran into several people with petitions in Dallas and in Chicago that I thought were acting very shady in their approach.
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BVS, I agree, I've been wondering just who it is promoting Nader. It's rumored that his choice of a running mate is Peter Camejo, whom Californians will know as a gubernatorial candidate. Have you ever looked into that guy's background? It gives me the creeps.
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BVS, I agree, I've been wondering just who it is promoting Nader. It's rumored that his choice of a running mate is Peter Camejo, whom Californians will know as a gubernatorial candidate. Have you ever looked into that guy's background? It gives me the creeps.
Nader has announced Camejo as his running mate. This will give Nader votes in California.
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Camejo is an ex-Trotskyist. Not exactly a common background for an American political candidate.
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The first thing I realize after reading all these responses to the article is, where have you all been for the past 4 years!?

I spent hours upon hours trying to get Nader on the ballot in Oklahoma during the summer of 2000 only to fall short . Everyone in the process was told the signature goal was 20,000 higher than the amount needed. That's mainly because roughly 1/4 of the people who sign those things aren't registered or are disqualified due to other reasons.

Now, here we are; 4 years later and nothing has been done to ease the ballot access process. Blah. It's hard to rally behind something or ever change the status quo when nobody does anything besides TALK about the problem.

I hope he gets on all 50 ballots and wins the election. (Notice I'm just TALKING?)

I'm sick of this world and its corruption. Sick.
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On CNN last night, they had a story about some Nader supporters who have written him an open letter asking him to drop out because they don't him to help Bush win. A Quinnipiac College poll shows that, w/ Nader in the race, Bush/Kerry are much closer..I think Kerry lost about 6 points in the poll. (he's ahead either way, but it's almsot tied w/ Nader in)..maybe cnn.com has the story since my recollection is probably flawed.

I'm sure Ralph Nader has many good ideas, but if he's going to help Bush win I don't want him on the ballot.
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Look at this, some people are really grabbing at straws now, if he won't drop out they will nitpick him to death until they find a way to disqualify him:

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...nader_ethics_2

Unethical, eh? Couldn't you pin that one on any politician if you dug around long enough?
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Which proves that money wins elections, not ideas. If this is true, then wouldn't be safe to suggest that our country isn't really a democratic republic, but rather a plutocracy of the rich and the elite? Hmmm...I guess that's not a surprise, but no one seems to mention that anymore.

Viva la Nader!

I'm still voting for Kerry
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Good point Danosporo.
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