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Old 08-18-2004, 02:34 PM   #1
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Still think climate change is a myth?

Feast your eyes on yet another publication (as if there really is a need for more proof).

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European Winters Could Disappear by 2080 - Report

AMSTERDAM, Netherlands (Reuters) - Europe is warming up more quickly than the rest of the world, and cold winters could disappear almost entirely by 2080 as a result of global warming, researchers predicted Wednesday
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"This report pulls together a wealth of evidence that climate change is already happening and having widespread impacts, many of them with substantial economic costs, on people and ecosystems in Europe," EEA executive director Jacqueline McGlade said in a statement.
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The floods that swept through 11 European countries in 2001 killed about 80 people, while last year's heat wave in western and southern Europe claimed the lives of more than 20,000.
So why isn't this higher on the agenda? I mean the evidence for a human induced climate change is overwhelming!
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Old 08-18-2004, 03:56 PM   #2
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Old 08-19-2004, 05:53 AM   #3
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Yes climate change is a fact, but the issue is over if it is natural processes involved in this sharper period or human impact, I think the science should be put out there for people to see because for every doomsday report there is inevitably one that suggests that it is part of global climatology over time.
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Human ego reigns supreme with these "reports" of human induced climate change.
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Old 08-21-2004, 06:03 AM   #5
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Old 08-21-2004, 07:59 AM   #6
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Human ego reigns supreme with these "reports" of human induced climate change.
I do not understand.
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Old 08-21-2004, 10:34 AM   #7
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I thought global warming results in a slow cooling b/t it interferes with the Gulf Stream (at leas in the US). Our summer (western lower Michigan) has been unusually cool - 60s and 70s where its usually 80s and sometimes 90s.
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The last few summers here have been very unprediactable and this year has got to be the worst. I don't think we have gone 2 weeks without rain and this week it has rained constantly. There have been mud slides and serious flooding in parts of Ireland and Britain. I never remember weather like this before.
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I thought global warming results in a slow cooling b/t it interferes with the Gulf Stream (at leas in the US). Our summer (western lower Michigan) has been unusually cool - 60s and 70s where its usually 80s and sometimes 90s.
Your summer weather is related to an unusual mass of cold, Arctic air settling over the Canadian prairies and Great Lakes, not the Gulf Stream effects.
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Your summer weather is related to an unusual mass of cold, Arctic air settling over the Canadian prairies and Great Lakes, not the Gulf Stream effects.
Good b/c I hate any weather pattern with temps below at least mid-70s.
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Me too, which is why if summer isn't going to come to me, I'm going to go find it in Jamaica.
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Bush administration flip-flops on greenhouse gases.

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/08/26/sc...26climate.html

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By ANDREW C. REVKIN

Published: August 26, 2004

In a striking shift in the way the Bush administration has portrayed the science of climate change, a new report to Congress focuses on federal research indicating that emissions of carbon dioxide and other heat-trapping gases are the only likely explanation for global warming over the last three decades.

In delivering the report to Congress yesterday, an administration official, Dr. James R Mahoney, said it reflected "the best possible scientific information" on climate change. Previously, President Bush and other officials had emphasized uncertainties in understanding the causes and consequences of warming as a reason for rejecting binding restrictions on heat-trapping gases.

The report is among those submitted regularly to Congress as a summary of recent and planned federal research on shifting global conditions of all sorts. It also says the accumulating emissions pose newly identified risks to farmers, citing studies showing that carbon dioxide promotes the growth of invasive weeds far more than it stimulates crops and that it reduces the nutritional value of some rangeland grasses.

American and international panels of experts concluded as early as 2001 that smokestack and tailpipe discharges of heat-trapping gases were the most likely cause of recent global warming. But the White House had disputed those conclusions.

The last time the administration issued a document suggesting that global warming had a human cause and posed big risks was in June 2002, in a submission to the United Nations under a climate treaty. President Bush distanced himself from it, saying it was something "put out by the bureaucracy."

That may be harder to do this time. The new report, online at www.climatescience.gov, is accompanied by a letter signed by Mr. Bush's secretaries of energy and commerce and his science adviser.

The White House declined yesterday to explain the change in emphasis, referring reporters to Dr. Mahoney, assistant secretary of commerce for oceans and atmosphere and the director of government climate research.

In an interview, he said the report was mainly an update on the overall climate research program and was not intended to be a conclusive "state of the science'' summary of the administration's thinking. A series of 21 reports are promised on particular issues in coming years, he said, and the studies on climate models, agriculture and other subjects mentioned in the new report are "significant but not definitive.''

Still, the report was disputed by some groups, aligned with industry, that oppose restrictions on carbon dioxide emissions and have attacked science pointing to dangerous human-caused warming as flawed.

Myron Ebell of the libertarian Competitive Enterprise Institute said the report was "another indication that the administration continues to be incoherent in its global warming policies."

At the same time, the report did not please environmental groups, which have repeatedly criticized Mr. Bush for opposing efforts to require restrictions on the gases linked to global warming, though he has gradually come around to the position that warming is at least partly caused by emissions.

"The Bush administration on the one hand isn't doing anything about the problem, but on the other hand can't deny the growing science behind global warming," said Jeremy Symons of the National Wildlife Federation.

The studies in the report that point to a human cause for recent warming all involved supercomputer simulations of climate, which have increased in power over the last several years.

The latest analysis, done at the National Center for Atmospheric Research in Boulder, Colo., found that natural shifts in the output of the sun and other factors were responsible for the warming from 1900 to 1950, but could not explain the sharp and continuing rise since 1970.

The report's section on agriculture focused on several studies in which fields and grasslands were exposed to doubled concentrations of carbon dioxide, with growth patterns in plants shifting in ways that could harm yields.

In such conditions, it said, plots of shortgrass prairie in northeastern Colorado contained less of the nutrient nitrogen, and their grasses were less digestible than those that grew with no extra carbon dioxide.

"In another experiment, increased CO2 stimulated the growth of five of the most important species of invasive weeds, more than any other plant species yet studied," the report said. "This suggests that some weeds could become bigger problems as CO2 increases."
Actually, the most surprising part of this article is that President Bush even has a "science adviser."
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Old 08-26-2004, 02:44 PM   #13
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Human ego reigns supreme with these "reports" of human induced climate change.

A leader when over-whelmed by good information should change course when staying the course puts others at risk.

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U.S. Report Turns Focus to Greenhouse Gases
By ANDREW C. REVKIN

In a striking shift in the way the Bush administration has portrayed the science of climate change, a new report to Congress focuses on federal research indicating that emissions of carbon dioxide and other heat-trapping gases are the only likely explanation for global warming over the last three decades.

In delivering the report to Congress yesterday, an administration official, Dr. James R Mahoney, said it reflected "the best possible scientific information" on climate change. Previously, President Bush and other officials had emphasized uncertainties in understanding the causes and consequences of warming as a reason for rejecting binding restrictions on heat-trapping gases.

The report is among those submitted regularly to Congress as a summary of recent and planned federal research on shifting global conditions of all sorts. It also says the accumulating emissions pose newly identified risks to farmers, citing studies showing that carbon dioxide promotes the growth of invasive weeds far more than it stimulates crops and that it reduces the nutritional value of some rangeland grasses.

American and international panels of experts concluded as early as 2001 that smokestack and tailpipe discharges of heat-trapping gases were the most likely cause of recent global warming. But the White House had disputed those conclusions.

The last time the administration issued a document suggesting that global warming had a human cause and posed big risks was in June 2002, in a submission to the United Nations under a climate treaty. President Bush distanced himself from it, saying it was something "put out by the bureaucracy."

That may be harder to do this time. The new report, online at www.climatescience.gov, is accompanied by a letter signed by Mr. Bush's secretaries of energy and commerce and his science adviser.
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Old 08-26-2004, 08:45 PM   #14
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Yes climate change is a fact, but the issue is over if it is natural processes involved in this sharper period or human impact, I think the science should be put out there for people to see because for every doomsday report there is inevitably one that suggests that it is part of global climatology over time.
This is quite true.

Some have actually suggested we're on the verge of an ice age (of course, in relative geologic time) based on ozone and other gas concentration projections from previous in-situ data.
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Old 08-29-2004, 06:08 AM   #15
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Today I discovered that the weather changes according to our man-made 7-day week pattern, around the world, which means that our working habits have deeply affected the climate. As a result, there is more rainfall during the weekend than on weekdays. What happens is that when we drive to work the dust and gases accumulate and by the time the weekend comes, they have gathered into the suburbs and cause rainfall. So, ironically, what we do during the week affects how we can enjoy our weekend.

I believe in the butterfly effect (theory that a butterfly's wings on one side of Earth can cause a thunderstorm at the other end of the planet) and so a simple act like switching off a lightbulb or taking the bus to work can affect the weather.

Throughout the years we have seen how little, little things have big consequences for the environment but we are always blaming environmental damage on factories, car manufacturers, etc. when really we do have the power and influence to change the weather.

Makes one think, huh?

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