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Old 11-03-2004, 07:46 PM   #91
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It was a eugenics experiment, but Mengele himself was just a monster.
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Old 11-03-2004, 07:48 PM   #92
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I'm not denying that. The man would brutally murder a twin to see what would happen to the other. Or kill both and invesitgate their internal organs to see how similar they were (between twins).

however, yeah, the nazis were aiming for eugenics.

My point was, no one was tring to clone Hitler. This isn't the boys from Brazil.
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^Exactly - comparisons between the Nazi's goal of racial purity and using embryonic stem cells to cure diseases are false.
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Old 11-03-2004, 07:51 PM   #95
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I never implied the nazis knew about DNA.
Sweetest Thing and Anitram inferred that I did however.
Their assumption is inncorrect.

I will make the leap and speculate had they had a way to clone they would have.

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furthurmore i think cloning is immoral.
period.
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Can you define cloning for me, please?

There is a protein, let's call it X, and we think it is upregulated in cancer cells.

So, we take the protein's sequence, we insert it into a vector. This is CLONING. Then we put the vector into a cell (transfect the cell) and then we compare normal cells to cancer cells to cells with the artificially overexpressing protein. This is how cancer is studied. This is how cancer therapy is developed (to block expression of proteins, you need cloned cell lines.)

THIS IS CLONING.

This is to you, immoral.

Shall we immediately cease and desist all cancer therapy tomorrow?
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I never implied the nazis knew about DNA.
Sweetest Thing and Anitram inferred that I did however.
Their assumption is inncorrect.

I will make the leap and speculate had they had a way to clone they would have.

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*ahem* in assuming they wanted to clone, you assume they knew about DNA. There IS no other way to clone, outside of science fiction.

You speculate they HAD A WAY TO CLONE? What??? What do you think? That somewhere in some secret Nazi lab, they had a machine where someone walked in and then a direct copy of him/her popped out the other end???
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Old 11-03-2004, 08:00 PM   #99
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i speak of cloning embyros.


im also not doing this thread to pick on you.
youre pretty bright for a canadian,
but on this issue, i disagree w you.

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*ahem* in assuming they wanted to clone, you assume they knew about DNA. There IS no other way to clone, outside of science fiction.

You speculate they HAD A WAY TO CLONE? What??? What do you think? That somewhere in some secret Nazi lab, they had a machine where someone walked in and then a direct copy of him/her popped out the other end???
the nazis didn't know about DNA.
had they known of DNA yes their wet dream would have been to clone their race.

what's so difficult in understanding that Sw.Thing?

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lastly, im done w this for a while..packing for trip..
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had they known of DNA yes their wet dream would have been to clone their race.
they would have had the dream of cloning???

Or so you speculate? You do realize that this is all delusional speculation, right? Because unless you were a Nazi involved in eugenics experiments during the second world war yourself or have direct prood, it would be impossible to know what their 'dream' was. I could just as easily speculate that had the Nazis known about DNA they may have wished to discover the exact gene that made people 'Jewish' and alter it to create pure Nazis.

Speculation isn't proof for any argument Diamond.
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no.
it's not delusional.
the nazis would have did anything to advance their race.
whats delusional is u trying to deny that if they had the know how in the 1940s, the understanding and working of dna that they wouldn't of embraced cloning.
not only is that delusional for u to reject that concept, even more it's naive on your part.

i will stick w my speculation.
the only reason the nazis did not clone, is because they didnt know how.

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Well the Nazi's spent money on their millitary and America spends money on its millitary, that kills people therefore we should eliminate the millitary.

I know more than I care to about the Nazi regime and its horrors that it inflicted and your argument here is downright offensive, what are you trying to prove by saying that if the Nazi's had todays knowledge of genetics they would use it for evil, is it trying to make a faux moral equivalence between science working to understand the mechanisms in the hope of finding cures for disease and the grotesque experiments in a Nazi hell. What is the bloody point.
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What is the bloody point.
Comparisons to Nazism have been made in the past here on Interference. It's never served any other purpose than to get a rise out of people, usually when there’s not much chance of winning the debate on arguments. I believe the moderators have addressed this in the past prohibiting the use of the word Nazi in the debates. I even remember Diamond supporting this, though it has to be said that Bush and his buddies were usually on the receiving end. I’m surprised the moderators haven’t commented on this thread yet.
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