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Old 11-03-2004, 12:16 PM   #61
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That's Dr. Gibson to you Arun.


And diamond, I'm just curious but do you think its more ethical to destroy the unused embryos that are sitting in fertility clinics once they're no longer needed? Is a frozen embryo considered an innocent life? If an embryo is destined to be destroyed once an infertile couple has completed their family, who is being harmed if that embryo is donated for scientific purposes?
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Old 11-03-2004, 12:20 PM   #62
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There are people willing to 'adopt' embryos...
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Old 11-03-2004, 12:31 PM   #63
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Embryo adoption is a GREAT idea and could help thousands of couples but convincing them to donate is the first hurdle...the second is getting the fertility clinics to add this option along with the choice to store, destroy or donate to science. I hope it catches on. I think I read there are upwards of 400,000 stored embyos in the US alone.
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W is going to push imigration policy because we need cheap labor


maybe we should grow our own
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When, somewhere down the road, stem cell research leads to the discovery of new medical therapies or even genetic cures, I want to see whether diamond and Mel Gibson and every other opponent will refuse the treatment in favour of pain and death, because that's the "right" thing to do.

5 bucks says they'll be poppin' them pills right alongside the rest of us.
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Old 11-03-2004, 03:09 PM   #66
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There are people willing to 'adopt' embryos...
That's a great idea. But is this really going to be true for all of the embryos created for in vitro fertalization? What do we do with the ones that don't get "adopted"?

And I still want to hear an answer as to whether those that oppose embryonic stem cell research think destroying embryos created for in vitro fertalization is wrong.

By the way, does anyone know what the actual text of Prop 71 was?
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Old 11-03-2004, 04:43 PM   #67
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here is a thought for you

we were all embryos at one stage in our development,
you me and the whole human race

Bono Larry Adam and Edge were embryo's even George Bush and Kerry were embryo's

what if some scientist decided we were just some useful cells and tossed the rest of us away

makes me feel kindda weird now thinking about it
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So there have been billions of other embryos that didn't result in that, why mull over the possibilities of what could have been when you can help change things as they are.
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here is a thought for you

we were all embryos at one stage in our development,
you me and the whole human race

Bono Larry Adam and Edge were embryo's even George Bush and Kerry were embryo's

what if some scientist decided we were just some useful cells and tossed the rest of us away

makes me feel kindda weird now thinking about it
So you oppose creating the embryos for in vitro fertalization in the first place? Or are you proposing that we just keep them indefinitely? That we find willing women who will carry all of them? Seriously...I want to know.
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When, somewhere down the road, stem cell research leads to the discovery of new medical therapies or even genetic cures, I want to see whether diamond and Mel Gibson and every other opponent will refuse the treatment in favour of pain and death, because that's the "right" thing to do.
Why, because they oppose public funding of such research. There are plenty of wealthy pharmaceutical corporations who are more than capable of conducting stem cell research. Why ask for the public handout?
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There are people who oppose the research based on the idea it is immoral. I am wondering whether they will continue to be men and women of principle when it's their own hide on the line down the road.
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Do you want eveyone to live to that degree of "principle" across the board? That is a mighty tall standard you are suggesting.
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So I gather you think there is value in stem cell reserch?
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From what I've read, there is marginal value.

Certainly nothing that comes close to the hyped promises we saw before the elections.
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Thank you for reading and not going by gut feelings.

or what some call core values.


I have read some, listen to, and watch programs concerning this and believe there are real opportunities for some diseases,
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