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Old 01-31-2006, 10:24 PM   #91
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It's all sort of depressing...but saying letting the poor die is the American way is completely uncalled for. It's not the American way, it's the human way!

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This guy isn't a particularly good speechmaker. I particularly dislike the way he's using "there's a better way". It feels like he should be saying:

"There are problems because of [this], [that], and [the other]. There's a better way."

But it seems to me he's saying it more like this:

"There are problems because of [this], [that], [the other], there's a better way."

As if "there's a better way" is part of the problem!
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Ah yes..."equality." Hollow words coming from Virginia.

(I chuckle over how Bob Schieffer from CBS just called Kaine "a very conservative Democrat.")

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That was a completely uninspiring speech. Is that the best the Democrats can possibly offer in rebuttal to Bush?
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Those c-span callers are mad.
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That was a completely uninspiring speech. Is that the best the Democrats can possibly offer in rebuttal to Bush?
The guy just didn't make a good speech. It was too safe, too concerned with not upsetting anyone. Barak Obama would've been better - he's a Democratic senator, if you didn't know. I'd rather hear any senator over any governer.
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The guy just didn't make a good speech. It was too safe, too concerned with not upsetting anyone. Barak Obama would've been better - he's a Democratic senator, if you didn't know. I'd rather hear any senator over any governer.
The reason they chose a governor was likely because it came to the Democratic Party's attention, following the defeat of Kerry, that governors are more electable for the presidency than senators. Such has been the prevailing belief since.

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The guy just didn't make a good speech. It was too safe, too concerned with not upsetting anyone.
That's exactly what I said in the other thread.

For God's sake, grow a set and stop waffling.
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The guy just didn't make a good speech. It was too safe, too concerned with not upsetting anyone. Barak Obama would've been better - he's a Democratic senator, if you didn't know. I'd rather hear any senator over any governer.
Yeah, I've read about Obama, but never heard him speak. What I think is needed is someone not afraid to say what needs to be said and take Bush to pieces. If he'd do that, excellent, give him the job. Put Bush in his place and give everyone two clear options rather than Republican vs Wishy-washy Uninspiring "I Can't Believe It's Not The Republican Party!"
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Yeah, I've read about Obama, but never heard him speak. What I think is needed is someone not afraid to say what needs to be said and take Bush to pieces. If he'd do that, excellent, give him the job. Put Bush in his place and give everyone two clear options rather than Republican vs Wishy-washy Uninspiring "I Can't Believe It's Not The Republican Party!"
Exactly. The lack of balls or any ability to do anything right from the Democrats over the Bush years I would think is just as much of a crime and disgrace as the actions actually taken by the Republicans over the Bush years. It should be easy, but for some unknown reason they can't do a step of it right. So fucking dumb. All of them. Incredibly, stunningly stupid.

The exact same scenario in Australia as well. The left should have monstered the last election. Run Howard out the door with his tail between his legs. All they had to do was appear competent. Not great, just competent. They couldn't even manage that.
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The guy on CNN said that he thought the Decmorats response was surprisingly effective
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Exactly. The lack of balls or any ability to do anything right from the Democrats over the Bush years I would think is just as much of a crime and disgrace as the actions actually taken by the Republicans over the Bush years. It should be easy, but for some unknown reason they can't do a step of it right. So fucking dumb. All of them. Incredibly, stunningly stupid.

The exact same scenario in Australia as well. The left should have monstered the last election. Run Howard out the door with his tail between his legs. All they had to do was appear competent. Not great, just competent. They couldn't even manage that.
I can't comprehend how Bush continues to survive so unscathed. The Democrats should have ripped him a few thousand new arseholes by now. Really, who are they afraid of offending? Conservatives who'd never vote for them anyway?

And I'm so thankful I fell just short of being old enough to vote in the last election. None of the politicians here inspire me. I'd rather vote for a cartoon character cut out of the Weekend Australian than for any of the parties here.
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At least freedom's on the march.
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I can't comprehend how Bush continues to survive so unscathed. The Democrats should have ripped him a few thousand new arseholes by now. Really, who are they afraid of offending? Conservatives who'd never vote for them anyway?
My guess is they are afraid of the GOP personal attack and innuendo machine. Their is no level Karl Rove and his evil minions won't stoop to. And somehow the public just accepts it.
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there is obviously a VLWC here in, fym. i'm disturbed, guys. very disturbed.
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