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Old 12-12-2005, 07:22 PM   #31
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Hey anitram, off topic here but I love your avatar.

What Xhendrix said.
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It's not about feeling for the murderer for me.

It's about recognizing that the living must go on with life. It is an incredibly difficult thing to get up in the morning and not want vengeance and not want revenge. And it takes many years to get to that point. But you have to regain some of your own humanity at some point or you have nothing left. So to not want vengeance is more about your own peace of mind, and coming to terms that the people who are no longer here with you will never be here with you again, and whether or not the person responsible for it is killed in their name will not change that. It won't make your life easier. It won't make you sleep better at night or miss them any less, or feel a sense of satisfaction. Forgiveness is an amazing thing, moreso for your own good than for theirs.

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Hey anitram, off topic here but I love your avatar.
Glad you think so!
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Old 12-12-2005, 07:30 PM   #33
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Then if you want the killings to stop come over to Bayview/Hunters Point here in San Francisco and start making a change.
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As an Austrian I am ashamed that Schwarzenegger, who was born in my country, is responsible for this execution.

Many young people here are ashamed that this guy grew up in Austria - we have no death penalty here, so the first 30 years of his life he had the luxury to live in our environment here.

As proud as we may be for his success story in Hollywood and as a Governor in California, this is nothing more than a big SHAME.

Arnold, next time you go to eat Apfelstrudel in Styria, I hope you can still look your mother in the eyes and tell her you have killed a man who was multi-nominated for nobel prizes. With this political move, you have lost all the respect that was ever there.

Politicians :spit:

Asshole.

Traitor of Austrian values.

Maybe the Cribs can take care of him.

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You would forgive, John Gacy, Ted Bundy, Jeffrey Dhalmer, Charles Manson, Richard Ramirez(NightStalker) and many other.
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Old 12-12-2005, 08:11 PM   #36
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You would forgive, John Gacy, Ted Bundy, Jeffrey Dhalmer, Charles Manson, Richard Ramirez(NightStalker) and many other.
kid, I wasn´t talking to you. Grow up.
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I think that the individual who comitted the crime is responsible regardless of the punishment.
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Old 12-12-2005, 08:24 PM   #38
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Asshole.

Traitor of Austrian values.

Maybe the Cribs can take care of him.

Would Austrians be proud of these statements?
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Why do people feel for the murderer and never the victims.
Are you like 10?

These assumptions you are making in this thread are ridiculous.

Wow.
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Are you like 10?

These assumptions you are making in this thread are ridiculous.

Wow.
Nice personal attack.

Perhaps any mention of the 4 victims Tookie killed would help. Let alone the murderous lifestyle he created for many by founding the Crips.
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It's not about feeling for the murderer for me.

It's about recognizing that the living must go on with life. It is an incredibly difficult thing to get up in the morning and not want vengeance and not want revenge. And it takes many years to get to that point. But you have to regain some of your own humanity at some point or you have nothing left. So to not want vengeance is more about your own peace of mind, and coming to terms that the people who are no longer here with you will never be here with you again, and whether or not the person responsible for it is killed in their name will not change that. It won't make your life easier. It won't make you sleep better at night or miss them any less, or feel a sense of satisfaction. Forgiveness is an amazing thing, moreso for your own good than for theirs.
great post
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great post
agreed.
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So I am automatically labeled as a kid, cause of my response. Hey
"Whenhiphopdrovethebigcars", it's funny how you call Arnie a disgrace for putting a human to death, yet you have no problem with the Crips (not cribs) to kill him. WOW I thought you were against this type of violence. Bravo.

BonoVoxSuperstar. Calling me 10 cause of my assumptions. It's called freedom of speech and an opinion.

Tookie is on death row for shooting a 7-11 clerk after robbing him and killing a family who ran a motel. After robbing them he shot them to death. He still causes harm today because of the gang he co-founded.
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Nice personal attack.

Perhaps any mention of the 4 victims Tookie killed would help. Let alone the murderous lifestyle he created for many by founding the Crips.
Yes maybe I got a little frustrated, but it was assumption after assumption. And you know what they say about assumptions. And seeing how persitant the remarks were and the inability to recognize that someone could believe different than he, I don't think any amount of talk about the victims would change this persons perspective.
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